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Valerie
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17 Apr 2013 11:25 |
Thank you so much for this and all your time in the research which is absolutely fascinating. You have been so helpful and given me a lot of information to work on. I am very grateful to you. :-D
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Mike *
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16 Apr 2013 16:24 |
I wasn't advocating buying these particular certificates. Just pointing out the general procedure for future reference
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MarieCeleste
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16 Apr 2013 15:46 |
Mike - there's no need for Valerie to buy the certificates, I've posted all of the father's details above from the actual marriage records.
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16 Apr 2013 12:48 |
Valerie just noticed that you are new to the boards, so welcome.
To answer your initial question, and assuming you are unsure how to go about it, your first option would be to check out the marriage to Harriet Plummer.
Using freebmd, you simply enter the 2 surnames ( entering Peter would not have brought it up).. and click marriage
Try it on this link http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
You can buy the certificate from the General Registery Office Link http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
The cert would give you the father's names
Hope this helps
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MarieCeleste
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16 Apr 2013 11:19 |
Could be his father's burial?
John Peter Balman, "England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991"
Name: John Peter Balman Gender: Male Burial Date: 08 Jul 1851 Burial Place: St. Leonard, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Age: 65 Birth Date: 1786
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01716-6 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 416667 Reference ID: it 2, p 17, rn 131
Citing this Record https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JCHV-638 :
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Mike *
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16 Apr 2013 10:56 |
Parents ( from someone's tree)
Jan Pieter Balman
Birth - 1786 in Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Death - September 1851 in 7, Dutch Alms Houses, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Helena H Soetje Petronella Kenje
Birth- 1786 -in Netherlands Death - December 1869 in Woolwich, London, England
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MarieCeleste
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16 Apr 2013 10:54 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: John Peter Balman, widower. A lampmaker of 9 Louisa Street Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Age: 52 Spouse Name: Lucy Shaw, spinster of 7½ Denbigh Street Spouse Age: 33 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 9 Oct 1877 Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: John Peter Balman - wireworker Spouse Father Name: John Shaw - labourer Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: William Haney?? and Elizabeth Adelaide Mansfield
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16 Apr 2013 10:49 |
2nd marriage
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1877 - Balman John Peter - Bethnal Green 1c 714 Shaw Lucy - Bethnal Green 1c 714
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MarieCeleste
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16 Apr 2013 10:45 |
The 1843 arrival that Mike* posted above appears to be from the England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869.
On the same arrival certificate is Helena Balman, Wilhelmina Eysenbroek, Peter Balman and Jean Balman.
Jan Peter's occupation looks like basketmaker.
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Mike *
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16 Apr 2013 10:43 |
Appears to be always known as John
1871
John Balman 46 Harriet Balman 46 Wilima Balman 16 Ann Balman 14 John Balman 10 Harriet Balman 9 Haenom Balman 8 Sarah Balman 2 ----------------------------------------------
1881 - 9 Louisa St. . Mile End Old Town
John Balman 56 - Lamp Maker Lucy Balman 36 ( WIFE) -, born Norfolk Henry Balman 18 Alice Balman 12 Louisa Balman 5 Caroline Balman 3 Elizabeth Balman 1
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1891
John Balman 65 - widowed - Parrafine Lamp Maker William Balman 9 Louisa Balman 15 Carline Balman 13 Elizabeth Balman 11
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Mike *
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16 Apr 2013 10:41 |
Using John not Peter in 1861
1861
Name: John Balman Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Harriet Balman Gender: Male Where born: Amsterdam Holland Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Church
John Balman 35 Harriet Balman 35 Ellen Balman 5 Ann E Balman 4 John E Balman 4 Months
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16 Apr 2013 10:39 |
Name: Anna Elisabeth Gender: Female Christening Date: Christening Place: BURGERLIJKE STAND, LEEUWARDEN, FRIESLAND, NETHERLANDS Birth Date: 26 Jul 1820 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Jan Pieters Balman Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Helena Soetje Petronella Kinje Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C90190-6 System Origin: Netherlands-VR GS Film number: 108027 Reference ID: 2:Q9D822
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MarieCeleste
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16 Apr 2013 10:39 |
A possible for his birth?
Jan Pieter, "Netherlands, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910"
Name: Jan Pieter Gender: Male Christening Place: BURGERLIJKE STAND, LEEUWARDEN, FRIESLAND, NETHERLANDS Birth Date: 10 Dec 1821 Father's Name: Jan Pieter Balman Mother's Name: Helena Soetje Petronella Kenje
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C90190-7 System Origin: Netherlands-VR GS Film number: 108028 Reference ID: 2:JNNSNQ
Citing this Record https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X14R-GZ1
There is also an 1819 birth to parents of the same name, perhaps the first one died?
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16 Apr 2013 10:35 |
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Name: Jan Pieter Gender: Male Christening Date: Christening Place: BURGERLIJKE STAND, LEEUWARDEN, FRIESLAND, NETHERLANDS Birth Date: 10 Dec 1821 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Jan Pieter Balman Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Helena Soetje Petronella Kenje Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C90190-7 System Origin: Netherlands-VR GS Film number: 108028 Reference ID: 2:JNNSNQ
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Mike *
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16 Apr 2013 10:32 |
Father
Name: Jan Peter Balman Port of Arrival: Dover, England Arrival Date: 29 May 1843 Port of Departure: Calais, France Ship: Swallow Country of Origin/Native of: Netherlands
possibly his death ( anglicised name)
Name: John Peter Balman Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1851 Registration district: Shoreditch Inferred County: London Volume: 2 Page: 267
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16 Apr 2013 10:30 |
Mother
Name: Helena Balman Port of Arrival: Dover, England Arrival Date: 29 May 1843 Country of Origin/Native of: Holland
Name: Helena Balman Estimated Birth Year: abt 1783 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1869 Age at Death: [86]4 Registration district: Woolwich Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 528 (
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MarieCeleste
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16 Apr 2013 10:29 |
More on the marriage:
Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: John Peter Balman - wireworker Age: Full Age Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1850 Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas Spouse's Name: Harriah Plummer Father's Name: John Peter Balman - wireworker Spouse Father's Name: Edward Plummer - printer
Both of full age and neither previously married. Abode for both given as Scotland Road.
Witnesses: Hendrick Cornelius Verhoff and Mary Turnerman??
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16 Apr 2013 10:29 |
John's parents
1851
Name: Jan Pieter Balman Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Helena H Balman Gender: M (Male) Where born: Holland, Brit Sub Civil parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell
Jan Pieter Balman 65 Helena H Balman 65
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16 Apr 2013 10:23 |
A tree has the following but check it out
: John Peter Balman
Birth: 27 August 1825 (27 Aug 1825) - Netherlands Marriage: 30 September 1850 (30 Sep 1850) - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Death: December 1900 (Dec 1900) - London, England Parents: Jan Pieter Balman, Helena H Spouse: Harriet Plummer
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16 Apr 2013 10:22 |
Name: John Peter Balman Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Harriet Plummer Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 30 Sep 1850 Event Place: Saint Nicholas,Liverpool,Lancashire,England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00599-4 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 93847, 93848, 93849, 93850, 93851, 93852 Reference ID:
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