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30 Mar 2013 13:59 |
Please can anyone find any info for me on the twin brother of my late grandmother? I don't have a living relative I can ask. My grandmother was Lily Blackshaw. Lily and Albert were born 1886 Hunslet, Leeds. I cannot find a marriage for Albert, nor any children or a death on any of the usual websites. Albert appears on the census of 1901 age 15. Similarly I cannot find marriages, deaths etc for his three older brothers: Frederick, born 1873, Walter, born 1876 and Arthur, born 1882. I do know that eldest child, Emily Blackshaw, born 1871, married and emigrated to the USA and I am researching her family at the moment. Thanks :-) John
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30 Mar 2013 14:04 |
1891 census showing all of family for info. 1891 census transcription details for: 22, Cemetery Road, Hunslet, Leeds
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 3666 Folio: 124 Page: 35 Reg. District: Hunslet Sub District: Hunslet Parish: Hunslet Enum. District: 45 Ecclesiastical District: St Lukes Holbeck City/Municipal Borough: Leeds Address: 22, Cemetery Road, Hunslet, Leeds County: Yorkshire (West Riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BLACKSHAW, John Head Married M 41 1850 Slater Darfield, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Mary Jane Wife Married F 42 1849 Ireland Dublin BLACKSHAW, Emily Daughter F 20 1871 Leeds, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Fred Son Single M 17 1874 Brush Maker ApprenticeLeeds, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Arthur Son Single M 8 1883 ScholarLeeds, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Lilly Daughter Single F 5 1886 Scholar, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Albert Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Walter Son Single M 17 1874 Mechanist Leeds, Yorkshire
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30 Mar 2013 14:07 |
1901 - Only Arthur, Lily and Albert at home
1901 census transcription details for: 3, Barton Grove, Holbeck
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 4203 Folio: 9 Page: 10 Reg. District: Holbeck Sub District: Holbeck Parish: Holbeck Enum. District: 20 Ecclesiastical District: St Luke Beeston Hill City/Municipal Borough: Address: 3, Barton Grove, Holbeck County: Yorkshire (West riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BLACKSHAW, John Head Married M 52 1849 SlaterDarfield Barnsley, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Mary J Wife Married F 52 1849 Ireland Dublin BLACKSHAW, Arthur Son Single M 18 1883 Boiler MakerHunslet Leeds, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Lily Daughter Single F 15 1886 Hunslet Leeds, Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Albert Son M 15 1886 Errand Boy Hunslet Leeds, Yorkshire
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30 Mar 2013 14:12 |
? Frederick 1911 - if it is him he has knocked a year or so off his age! 1911 census transcription details for: 16 Church Road Gatley Cheshire
National Archive Reference: RG14PN21430 RG78PN1275 RD443 SD8 ED2 SN105 Reg. District: Stockport Sub District: Cheadle Parish: Stockport Etchells Enum. District: 2 Address: 16 Church Road Gatley Cheshire County: Cheshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BLACKSHAW, Fred Head Married M 32 1879 Commercial Traveller Leeds Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Ellen Marian Wife Married10 years F 32 1879 Leeds Yorkshire BLACKSHAW, Catherine Daughter F 7 1904 Leeds Yorkshire
2 children born, 1 has died, 1 living
possibility of a further child - May b 1917 Macclesfield, Cheshire
Which would go with this marriage
Name: BLACKSHAW, Fred Registration district: Leeds County: Yorkshire Year of registration: 1900 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 9B Page no: 767 MarriageFinder: Fred Blackshaw married one of the following people:
DOBSON, Ellen Marian <<<<<<<<<< HOLMES, Louisa HUNTER, John Rutterford T
EDIT - probably not him, a Fred Blackshaw shows as born 1878 Leeds and age 2 in Leeds on 1881 census
? Your Fred registered as Frederick Holbeck Jun Qtr 1873 9B 367. Shows b Holbeck in Hunslet RD 1881
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John
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30 Mar 2013 14:19 |
Hi Stuart, Many thanks for that. I have seen this census result before. After that the remaining family appear in the 1901 Census. Of course I know that my Grandmother, Lily Blackshaw, married James Henry Annal but her twin, Albert I never knew anything about him. My grandmother died in 1965 when I was very young but I am sure Albert was gone before I was born (1957) as he was hardly ever mentioned and I only realised he was my grans twin through recent research! I suppose many people didn't complete their census forms and I am wondering if that's why the rest of the family don't show up? Cheers, John
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30 Mar 2013 14:22 |
1911 census transcription details for: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG14PN27196 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED20 SN210 Reg. District: Holbeck Sub District: Holbeck Parish: Holbeck Enum. District: 20 Address: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding) Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BLACKSHAW, Arthur Head Married M 28 1883 Railway Goods Loader Hunslet Leeds BLACKSHAW, Cathrine Winefred Wife Married7 years F 28 1883 Tailoress Trousers Finisher Wortley Leeds BLACKSHAW, John Clifford Son M 7 1904 Holbeck Leeds BLACKSHAW, Ernest Son M 1 1910 Holbeck Leeds BLACKSHAW, Mary Jane Mother Widow F 62 1849 Nk
2 children born alive, 2 still living
Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%) Blackshaw Arthur Hunslet 9b 525 LAMB William Thomas Hunslet 9b 525 Siron Catherine Hunslet 9b 525 <<<<<<< SWINNERTON Clara Hunslet 9b 525
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30 Mar 2013 14:22 |
1911 census transcription details for: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG14PN27196 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED20 SN210 Reg. District: Holbeck Sub District: Holbeck Parish: Holbeck Enum. District: 20 Address: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding) Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BLACKSHAW, Arthur Head Married M 28 1883 Railway Goods Loader Hunslet Leeds BLACKSHAW, Cathrine Winefred Wife Married7 years F 28 1883 Tailoress Trousers Finisher Wortley Leeds BLACKSHAW, John Clifford Son M 7 1904 Holbeck Leeds BLACKSHAW, Ernest Son M 1 1910 Holbeck Leeds BLACKSHAW, Mary Jane Mother Widow F 62 1849 Nk
2 children born alive, 2 still living
Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%) Blackshaw Arthur Hunslet 9b 525 LAMB William Thomas Hunslet 9b 525 Siron Catherine Hunslet 9b 525 <<<<<<< SWINNERTON Clara Hunslet 9b 525
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30 Mar 2013 14:29 |
John posting census gives the helpers points of reference from which to work, we don't know your family, so need as much information as possible to start us off.
A good website with free records of bmd's from Sep Qtr 1837 to approx 1950/60 - an on going project and not all yet transcribed up to date http://www.freebmd.org.uk
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30 Mar 2013 14:49 |
A Fred Blackshaw, Commercial TRaveller appears to have Attested (joined up) in 1915 aged 38 years and 196 days. He was then appointed to the Army Service Corps in 1917 and served some time in France Living at Houldsworth Square, Redditch, Stockport at the time NoK Ellen MArion Blackshaw wife, married 11.9.1900 Parish Church (?Brierley) Leeds. Daughter Catherine born 12.9.1903, Leeds signatures 1911 and Attestation papers appear the same
EDIT - not correct Fred, see EDIT of post at 1412
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Jacky
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30 Mar 2013 15:06 |
hi john this looks like a possible good match for walter blackshaw,s birth only one i can find right area
Name: Walter Blackshaw Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1876 Registration district: Leeds Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9b Page: 450 (click to see others on page)
and possible death for him
Name: Walter Blackshaw Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896 Age at Death: 19 Registration district: Holbeck Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9b Page: 207 (click to see others on page)
i live in leeds & many of my old rellies lived in hunslet but often address came under the holbeck district hope this helps
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30 Mar 2013 15:10 |
To confirm they were twins, here is the christening - christened same day was Albert (same dob) and Arthur (dob 5 May, I think 1883)
Lily Blackshaw Birth Date: 7 Jan 1885 Parish: Holbeck, St Luke Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1890 Father's Name: John Blackshaw (slater) Mother's name: Mary Jane Blackshaw
Address 22 County Road
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Jacky
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30 Mar 2013 15:23 |
have looked at possible deaths for albert also i looked at all the birth,s of albert blackshaw,s born about the right year as put on census although sometimes not correct
Births Mar 1886 (>99%) BLACKSHAW Albert Hanslet 9b 291
and this could be a possible death for him as the year of birt on this one is given 1884 its the only possible one that fits the right time frame but would need death cert to comfirm
Name: Albert Blackshaw Birth Date: abt 1884 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1921 Age at Death: 37 Registration district: Doncaster Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 974
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30 Mar 2013 15:24 |
See EDit to post 30th MArch 1412, will leave for elimination as well as Army record posted 1449
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30 Mar 2013 15:24 |
Just in case the brothers can be found with sister and husband on later census - or going to join them:
Noah Bland (mechanic) Birth Year: abt 1867 Age: 24 Marriage or Bann Date: 18 May 1891 Parish: Hunslet Moor, St Peter Father's Name: Joseph Bland (builder) Spouse's Name: Emily Blackshaw Spouse's Father's Name: John Blackshaw (slater)
Both of Addington Street, witnesses Tom Bland and Annie Wood.
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Flip
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30 Mar 2013 15:32 |
Sorry, but the marriage suggested for Fred is the wrong one - father is not John:
Fred Blackshaw Birth Year: abt 1878 Age: 22 Marriage or Bann Date: 11 Sep 1900 Parish: Burley, St Matthias Father's Name: William Blackshaw <<< a joiner Spouse's Name: Ellen Marian Dobson Spouse's Father's Name: John Dobson
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30 Mar 2013 15:39 |
Have edited my posts re Fred, leaving for elimination
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Jacky
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30 Mar 2013 15:46 |
sadly another possible death this time for
Name: Frederick Blackshaw Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891 Age at Death: 18 Registration district: Hunslet Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9b Page: 167 (click to see others on page
think this is your frederick as no other possibles born right area for right birth frame but once again death cert would comfirm if right person i know he shows on the 1891 census but could have died after the census was taken
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30 Mar 2013 15:52 |
?? Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BLACKSHAW, Arthur Registration district: Leeds County: Yorkshire Year of registration: 1959 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death: 77 Volume no: 2C Page no: 27
Catherine Winifred Blackshaw Dec Qtr 1972 b 5 April 1882 Leeds 2C 516
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John
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30 Mar 2013 17:04 |
Thanks Stuart, Flip, Jacky, This helps loads. I reckon Fred is the one that sadly died aged 18 and Walter died aged 19. From what I can gather in the light of this new info, Arthurs two sons also died young. John Clifford Blackshaw died aged 45 and his brother died at only 7 years old. John C was possibly married. I vaguely recollect my grandmothers family having illness and tragedy somewhere in their past. How sad! Thanks again guys I am very grateful for this :-)
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MarieCeleste
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30 Mar 2013 17:35 |
Oh I remember - Noah was the one who changed his name to Harry, wasn't he? http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1321761
(although connected, it was a query on a different branch)
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