Morning!
GB - yes, tried those on Ancestry, but they don't fit :-(
CH - That's v interesting, and fits with family (parents (Samuel/Selina) and siblings either side). They were keen on baptism/christenings, and have elder sister Ruth baptised 17 Jun 95, and younger sister Selina 22 Jun 99, but couldn't find Charlie.
The military records look great as well - family lived in Havelock St at this time :-D So it seems he died not in action, but from an illness contracted whilst serving. More digging to do :-D :-D
Many, many tks!
Don't suppose you want to look for 2 of his brothers??? Both a bit of a mystery - and seemingly elusive LOL !!! One 'went to sea' ..... the other received 'a medal from the King' (family tales only) - still digging around for them!
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Baptism (Find My Past) Forenames:Charles Wyndham Surname:Jones Baptism Year:1897 Baptism Month:Aug Baptism Day:11 Place:Cardiff, St John County:Glamorganshire Birth Year: Birth Month: Birth Day: Fathers Forenames:Samuel (Labourer) Mothers Forenames:Selina Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru (address, 25, Canal Street)
Chris :)
Births Sep 1897 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------- Jones Charles Wyndham Cardiff 11a 370
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 Name: Charles Wyndham Jones Regiment or Corps: Welsh R 5th Regimental Number: 22322 (date of Discharge 14/1/16 Sickness)
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 Name: Charles Wyndham Jones Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 Age at enlistment: 20 Document Year: 1915 Regimental Number: 22322 Regiment Name: 5th Super Battalion Welsh Regiment Number of images: 6 (31, Havelock Street, Cardiff. Father, Samuel Jones (same address)
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Do you have access to Ancestry ?
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Only three Charles Jones listed as birth place of Cardiff
Charles Henry Jones Robert Charles Jones Charles Spencer Jones
Not sure any of them are right
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So do you know for certain that he was registered as Charles or is that a middle name
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1911 JONES, Alfred Head Married M 32 1879 Collier Underground Ebbw Vale Mon JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married10 years F 33 1878 Ebbw Vale Mon JONES, Hilda Daughter F 2 1909 Ebbw Vale Mon JONES, Charlie Nephew M 12 1899 Cardiff RG number: RG14 Piece: 32113 Reference: RG14PN32113 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED14 SN201 Registration District: Cardiff Sub District: Central Cardiff Enumeration District: 14 Parish: Cardiff Address: 48 Union St Cardiff County: Glamorganshire
(not sure if relating!)
Chris :)
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Chris Ho - Yep, that's the one (how did I not find 1911 ? Newbie, see ..... doh!). Tk u. But where is Charles?? Rellie has photo of him, so indicates he'd left home by 1911 !
R.
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1901 (reference) JONES, Samuel Head Married M 43 1858 Dock Laborer Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Selina Wife Married F 38 1863 Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, William Son Single M 20 1881 Locomotive Fireman Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Winifred Daughter Single F 18 1883 Domestic Servant Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Samuel Son Single M 15 1886 Errand Boy Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Martha A Daughter F 10 1891 Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, John Son M 8 1893 Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Ruth Daughter F 6 1895 Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Selina Daughter F 1 1900 Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Charles Son M 3 1898 Cardiff, Glamorganshire SULLIVAN, Julia Niece Single F 15 1886 Domestic Servant Cardiff, Glamorganshire Piece: 4979 Folio: 56 Page: 41 Registration District: Cardiff Civil Parish: St John Municipal Borough: Address: 25, Canal Street, St John, Cardiff County: Glamorganshire
1911 JONES, Samuel Head Married M 54 1857 Dock Labourer Glamorgan Cardiff JONES, Selina Wife Married33 years F 49 1862 Glamorgan Cardiff JONES, John Albert Son Single M 18 1893 Engin Cleaner Glamorgan Cardiff JONES, Ruth Daughter Single F 15 1896 Glamorgan Cardiff JONES, Selina Daughter Single F 11 1900 Glamorgan Cardiff JONES, Beatrice Daughter Single F 9 1902 Glamorgan Cardiff JONES, Gladys Daughter Single M 7 1904 Glamorgan Cardiff JONES, Ada Daughter Single F 5 1906 Glamorgan Cardiff RG number: RG14 Piece: 32117 Reference: RG14PN32117 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED18 SN300 Registration District: Cardiff Sub District: Central Cardiff Enumeration District: 18 Parish: Cardiff Address: 31 Havelock Street Cardiff County: Glamorganshire (13 children born, 10 living, 3 died)
1891 JONES, Samuel Head Married M 34 1857 Labourer Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Selina Wife Married F 29 1862 Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, William H Son Single M 9 1882 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Winifred Daughter Single F 7 1884 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Samuel Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorganshire JONES, Martha A Daughter Single F 1 1890 Cardiff, Glamorganshire Piece: 4393 Folio: 122 Page: 83 Registration District: Cardiff Civil Parish: St Mary Cardiff Municipal Borough: Cardiff Address: 10, Garth Street, St Mary Cardiff, Cardiff County: Glamorganshire
Chris :)
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Oh.....tish !!
Charlie :
1901 Census b. abt 1898 living at 25 Canal St, Cardiff (family home) RG13/4979. That's all I've got really. No 1911 info so far.
Other than the fact that there is a photo of him in uniform (WW1), but without headgear, so no clue there on badge etc, v. little known. No marriage/children known of, just that he died in the early part of the war 'in a wood' in France'.
Beginning to think death may have been later - no-one in the family is sure, though as the war dragged on, there weren't that many woods still standing :-(
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So what name was his birth registered in as no Charlie Jones listed in Cardiff JFM 1893
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That one might be Christopher as the medal card says KIA on 20.7.1916 but shown as SGT so might not be
Name: Christopher Jones Regiment or Corps: 1st/6 Welsh Regiment Regimental Number: 2022
JONES, C Rank:Private Service No:2022 Date of Death:20/07/1916 Regiment/Service:Welsh Regiment 6th Bn. Grave ReferenceA. 3. CemeteryPEAKE WOOD CEMETERY, FRICOURT
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Christopher Jones Birth Place: Swansea Death Date: 20 Jul 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Swansea Rank: Private Regiment: Welsh Regiment Battalion: 1/6th Battalion Number: 2022 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
What else do you know about him
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Think I've found him - family believed he was killed 'in a wood'. Re visited CWGC (tks J) and found:
Pte C Jones 6Bn Welsh Regt, KIA Peake Wood and buried in Fricourt - adjacent to Mametz ....
:-D Tks all......but if you know different ......!!!
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LB - Born Cardiff JFM 1893
Jonesy - been trawling that, but not having much luck......
Margee - Will give that a go, but Ox & Bucks a bit out of area for S.Wales (Of Course the AV is for real ;-) ;-) :-D)
GB - looked at RWF and got a possible hit, but they recruited from N.Wales not South, and 1916 poss bit before the 'take anyone' attitude arrived.
There was a Charlie Jones d1916 mentioned on GR, but can't get into it.
Driving me mad !!! LOL !!!
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Mametz Wood was the objective of the 38th (Welsh) Division during the First Battle of the Somme. The attack occurred in a northerly direction over a ridge, focussing on the German positions in the wood, between 7 July and 12 July 1916
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This is the only one listed as Charlie on CWGC.
JONES, CHARLIE Rank:Private Service No:12742 Date of Death:09/10/1916 Regiment/Service:Oxford and Bucks Light Infantry 6th Bn. Panel ReferencePier and Face 10 A and 10 D. MemorialTHIEPVAL MEMORIAL
p.s. Love your avatar, Mr. D., is it for real?
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Do you have any idea of where and when he was born?
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