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dancingqueen
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17 Mar 2013 21:04 |
TRYING TO FIND THE BAPTISMS OF WILLIAM TOLMAN APPARENTLY BORN APPROX 1812 CHURCH STANTON, SOMERSET?
AND HIS WIFE LOUISA TOZER BORN APPROX 1800 SEATON AND BEER, DEVON?
I have found there marriage 16 MAY 1833 Seaton, Devon. First child born 1834 and last 1847. William dieds 1891 and Louisa 1884 -just cant find baptisms to take this part of the tree back further.
Thanks for any help in advance
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Mike *
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17 Mar 2013 21:13 |
Birthplace is not consistant
1881 - he's a gardener living away from home ( born Taunton)
Name: William Tolman Age: 69 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Taunton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Seaton and Beer County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: Worcester Cottage Condition as to marriage: Married ----------------------------------------------------------
1851 ( birth still Somerset)
Name: William Toulman Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Louisa Toulman Gender: M (Male) Where born: Church Stanton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Seaton and Beer County/Island: Devon Country: England Registration district: Axminster Sub-registration district: Lyme
William Toulman 39 Louisa Toulman 49 George Toulman 17 Eliza Toulman 14 Robert Toulman 12 William Toulman 12 Henry Toulman 4 -----------
1861 - ( born Devon)
Name: William Tolman Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Louisa Tolman Gender: Male Where born: Seaton, Devon, England
1891 ( born Devon)
Name: William Tolman Age: 79 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Seaton, Devon, England
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dancingqueen
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17 Mar 2013 21:23 |
Yeah true, he seems to change his mind -all i can make from this is that it must be in the devon/somerset area. As I believe church stanton used to be in devon county but now somerset
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MarieCeleste
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17 Mar 2013 22:57 |
If Louise Tozer was born c1800 then she'd be very very old for the time to be having a child at age 47?
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brummiejan
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17 Mar 2013 23:07 |
Looks like she would have been about 45 when last child born. I don't find this too surprising tMarieCeleste, to be honest:
1861 England Census Name: Louisa Tolman Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Tolman Gender: Female Where born: Seaton, Devon, England Civil parish: Seaton and Beer Town: Seaton County/Island: Devon Country: England Registration district: Axminster Sub-registration district: Colyton
William Tolman 49 Louisa Tolman 58 Eliza Tolman 24 Henry Tolman 13 George Berry 16
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dancingqueen
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18 Mar 2013 07:56 |
Both Louisa and William baptism/ bith dates would be approx within 2-5 years. But I have plenty of woman in my family tree having children in their 40s
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AnnCardiff
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18 Mar 2013 12:17 |
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Robert Tolman England and Wales Census, 1841 birth: 1838 Devon census: 1841 Seaton, Devonshire, England William Tolman England and Wales Census, 1841 birth: 1838 Devon census: 1841 Seaton, Devonshire, England
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AnnCardiff
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18 Mar 2013 12:18 |
Eliza Tolman England and Wales Census, 1861 birth: 1837 Seaton, Devon census: 1861 Seaton Cum Beer, Devonshire, England Henry Tolman England and Wales Census, 1861 birth: 1848 Seaton, Devon census: 1861 Seaton Cum Beer, Devonshire, England
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AnnCardiff
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18 Mar 2013 12:19 |
Name: Henry W Tolman Age (Original): 33 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1848 Birthplace: Seaton, Devon, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Carpenter Address: The Square Event Place: Seaton And Beer, Devonshire, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341514 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 2130 / 50 Page Number: 18 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head Henry W Tolman M 33 Seaton, Devon, England Wife Mary J Tolman F 32 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Ada A Tolman F 8 Ventnor, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England Son Henry W Tolman M 7 Ventnor, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England Daughter Ethel M Tolman F 6 Ventnor, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England Daughter Ambrosine Tolman F 5 Ventnor, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England Daughter Eva B Tolman F 2 Seaton, Devon, England Son Arthur Tolman M 0 Seaton, Devon, England
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AnnCardiff
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18 Mar 2013 12:20 |
Name: William R Tolman Age (Original): 42 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1839 Birthplace: Seaton, Devon, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Tailor Address: Sidmouth St Event Place: Seaton And Beer, Devonshire, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341514 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 2130 / 53 Page Number: 23 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head William R Tolman M 42 Seaton, Devon, England Wife Harriett Tolman F 37 Uffcombe, Devon, England Daughter Laura Tolman F 14 Uffcombe, Devon, England Son William H Tolman M 13 Seaton, Devon, England Daughter Lilly Tolman F 8 Seaton, Devon, England Daughter Clara Tolman F 6 Seaton, Devon, England Son Sidney Tolman M 4 Seaton, Devon, England Daughter Ida Tolman F 3 Uffcombe, Devon, England Daughter Edith Tolman F 0 Uffcombe, Devon, England
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dancingqueen
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18 Mar 2013 13:52 |
Ann cardiff
these are the children of William and Louisa, am trying to take it back further into the past with their baptisms, which will hopefully give me their parents names, so can find siblings etc and go further back
Thanks for all the information my line comes down Robert H Tolman.
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Tenerife Sun
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18 Mar 2013 16:50 |
A possible as I think Seaton cum Beer and Ottery St Mary are near to each other.
Other christening same parents names and same place are
Susanna 06/03/1816 Sarah 31/05/1810 born 12/05/1810 Mary 07/06/1818
Name: William Tolman Gender: Male Christening Date: 28 Mar 1813 Christening Place: OTTERY SAINT MARY,DEVON,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tolman Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Sarah Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00276-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 0962974, 0962975 Reference ID:
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dancingqueen
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18 Mar 2013 22:11 |
tenerife sun -wow thank you verymuch that is very interesting and something for me to look further into.
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Tenerife Sun
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19 Mar 2013 14:39 |
Probable marriage for the above parents but need to verify that they belong to you
Name: William Tolman Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Sarah Salter Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 27 Dec 1809 Event Place: Ottery Saint Mary,Devon,England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00276-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 0962975 IT 1, 962974
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Mar 2013 15:06 |
Groom's Surname:Toulman Groom's Forename:William Bride's Surname:Tozer Bride's Forename:Louisa Year:1833 Month:May Day:16 Parish:Seaton Town Or City: County:Devon Record source:Devon Marriages Baptism Surname:Tollman Forenames:Robert Henry Father's Forename:William Mother's Forename:Louisa Father's Occupation:Labourer Year:1838 Month:Oct Day:19 Abode:Seaton Parish:Seaton And Beer Town Or City: County:Devon
Baptism Surname:Tollman Forenames:William Richard Father's Forename:William Mother's Forename:Louisa Father's Occupation:Labourer Year:1838 Month:Oct Day:19 Abode:Seaton Parish:Seaton And Beer Town Or City: County:Devon
(just above on Find My Past)
Chris :)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
(not sure if anything on above)
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dancingqueen
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19 Mar 2013 21:23 |
Chris
Thank you yes that is my family, as you can see by the different spellings of the surname with the marriage and baptisms of children -difficult to know which is correct -but eventually gone by spelling Tolman -but of course his baptism could be Toulman/ Tolman or Tollman.
Tenerife sun that marriage unfortunately is not correct my wife is Louisa, so unlike that baptism you found for William Tolman would correspond which is a shame, will just have to keep looking.
Thanks all
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Tenerife Sun
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19 Mar 2013 22:16 |
Dancing queen I think the marriage is for the parents of your William 1812 who married Louisa. On the baptisms for March 1813 the parents are given as William and Sarah. The marriage I found is for William and Sarah Salter who married in 1809' before your Williams birth. As you rightly said William and Louisa married in 1833.
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dancingqueen
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19 Mar 2013 22:30 |
Tenerife sun
Oh right sorry, now understand, just wondering how I could confirm that this is correct parentage as due to marriage being in 1833 -parents not given at marriage, as in post1837.
thanks
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Tenerife Sun
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20 Mar 2013 12:11 |
I'm not sure how to prove that William and Sarah are your Williams parents. I did notice that their first daughter baptised 1910 was called Sarah and the first son William. After the parents maybe but still not proof just an assumption. I'll have a look later to see if I can dig a bit deeper into this family. Just going out to lunch :-D
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dancingqueen
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20 Mar 2013 20:03 |
I have some doubts -just because in 1841 cenus and 1851 cenus I have found two William Tolman -mine William Tolman who gives his dob between 1810/1812 depending on which cenus, married to Louisa and family. Where as there is also a William Tolman gives dob 1813 born Ottery St Mary and married to Susanna, so I think this William must be the william baptised in Ottery St Mary, not mine.
Oh I wish it was. What do you think?
Tenerife sun hope you had lovely lunch
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