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Seeking the Mothers maiden name for this child,

Name: Alice Bates Barford

Gender: Female

Christening Date:

18 Oct 1896

Christening Place:

Atherton, Lancashire, England

Birth Date:

04 Sep 1896

Birthplace:

Death Date:

Name Note:

Race:

Father's Name: Thomas Barford

Father's Birthplace:

Father's Age:

Mother's Name: Margaret Alice ___________

Mother's Birthplace:

Mother's Age:

Indexing Project (Batch) Number:

C01969-6

System Origin:

England-EASy

GS Film number:

1885669

Reference ID:

yr 1884-1899 p 226

Thank you in advance

1901 for ref:

Name: Alice Barford
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Barford
Mother's name: Margt A Barford
Gender: Female
Where born: Atherton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Atherton
Ecclesiastical parish: Atherton St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Atherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 3596
Folio: 67
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Barford 30
Margt A Barford 27
Frederick Barford 9
Alice Barford 4
Mary Barford 3

1911 Parents state married for 20 years:

Name: Thomas Barford
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Atherton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 82 Weston St Atherton Lancs
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Self Act Minder Cotton
Registration district: Leigh
Registration District Number: 460
Sub-registration district: Atherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 23239
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Barford 42
Margaret A Barford 40
Fred Barford 19
Alice B Barford 14
Mary Barford 13
Herbert Barford 9

1901 for ref

1901 England Census
about Thomas Barford
Name: Thomas Barford
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margt A Barford
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Atherton
Ecclesiastical parish: Atherton St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Atherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 3596
Folio: 67
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Barford 30
Margt A Barford 27
Frederick Barford 9
Alice Barford 4
Mary Barford 3


Eldest child born in USA.
So possible marriage was there as well. You may have to buy a birth cert for MMN

Andy

Andrew would you please mind posting evidence of USA. Thanks

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896

Surname Forename(s)
BARFORD, Alice Bates
Sub-District Atherton
Registers At Wigan & Leigh
>>>>> Mother's Maiden Name BATES <<<
Reference ATH/77/50

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Fredk Barford
Name: Fredk Barford
Birth Date: abt 1892
Age: 5/12
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1892
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Umbria
Search Ship Database: View the 'Umbria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Official Number: 91159



With Thomas and Marg. A

Andy

Thank you +++DetEcTive+++

Thank you Andrew

1901 for Frederick

1901 England Census
about Frederick Barford
Name: Frederick Barford
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Barford
Mother's name: Margt A Barford
Gender: Male
>>>>>>>Where born: British Subject, United States <<<<<<<<

Civil parish: Atherton
Ecclesiastical parish: Atherton St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Atherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 3596
Folio: 67
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Barford 30
Margt A Barford 27
Frederick Barford 9
Alice Barford 4
Mary Barford 3

According to the 1911 census Fred was born 1892 in Harrison USA, no clue as to which state.

This is the family returning from USA:

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Thos Barford
Birth Date: abt 1870
Age: 22
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1892
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Umbria
Official Number: 91159

He was a carpenter, travelling with Margt A (20) and Fredk (5 months)

Possibly New Jersey

I'd lay odds it's BATES

Bates it is....

New Jersey, Births and Christenings Index, 1660-1931
about Fredrick Berford
Name: Fredrick Berford
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1891
Birth Place: Harrison, Hudson, New Jersey
Father's Name: Thomas Berford
Father's Age: 22
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's name: Margaret A Bates
Mother's Age: 20
Mother's Birth Place: England
FHL Film Number: 494220



Andy

WHY don't you use lancsbmd?????

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BARFORD Alice Bates Atherton Wigan & Leigh BATES ATH/77/50

Age is a little out but possible arrival for Thomas in NY:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Thos Barford
Arrival Date: 25 Apr 1889
Birth Date: abt 1871
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Egypt

A labourer, appears to be travelling alone

Possibly Thomas's outward voyage, travelling alone

Thos Barford
Arrival Date: 25 Apr 1889
Birth Date: abt 1871
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Egypt

Not enough info on the image to say if its him or not

EDIT - what MC said!

Maybe Margaret going to US?

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Margt A Bates
Name: Margt A Bates
Arrival Date: 20 Nov 1890
Birth Date: abt 1871
Age: 19
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Majestic

Appears to be alone. Occ servant



Andy

Thomas Barford, "New Jersey, Marriages, 1678-1985"

Name: Thomas Barford
Birth Date: 1869
Birthplace: Eng
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Margaret A. Bates
Spouse's Birth Date: 1870
Spouse's Birthplace: Eng
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 20 Nov 1890
Event Place: Harrison, Hudson, New Jersey

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02518-1
System Origin: New Jersey-EASy
GS Film number: 495711
Reference ID: p 363 m 16

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FZG1-F2V

EDIT: Just noted the arrival record above - if that's her then they married the day she arrived!

MarieCeleste

Thank you for this ...........

Arrived and married the same day!!?

Andy

You're welcome Mark, with the amount of research you do you really need to bookmark the sites linked to!