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16 Mar 2013 11:59 |
Morning Folk's
Seeking the Mothers maiden name for this child,
Name: Alice Bates Barford
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
18 Oct 1896
Christening Place:
Atherton, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
04 Sep 1896
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Barford
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Margaret Alice ___________
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:
C01969-6
System Origin:
England-EASy
GS Film number:
1885669
Reference ID:
yr 1884-1899 p 226
Thank you in advance
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16 Mar 2013 12:05 |
1901 for ref:
Name: Alice Barford Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Barford Mother's name: Margt A Barford Gender: Female Where born: Atherton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Atherton Ecclesiastical parish: Atherton St John the Baptist County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: Atherton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Piece: 3596 Folio: 67 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Barford 30 Margt A Barford 27 Frederick Barford 9 Alice Barford 4 Mary Barford 3
1911 Parents state married for 20 years:
Name: Thomas Barford Age in 1911: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Bolton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Atherton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 82 Weston St Atherton Lancs Marital Status: Married Occupation: Self Act Minder Cotton Registration district: Leigh Registration District Number: 460 Sub-registration district: Atherton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Piece: 23239 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Barford 42 Margaret A Barford 40 Fred Barford 19 Alice B Barford 14 Mary Barford 13 Herbert Barford 9
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16 Mar 2013 12:09 |
1901 for ref
1901 England Census about Thomas Barford Name: Thomas Barford Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Margt A Barford Gender: Male Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Atherton Ecclesiastical parish: Atherton St John the Baptist County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: Atherton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Piece: 3596 Folio: 67 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Barford 30 Margt A Barford 27 Frederick Barford 9 Alice Barford 4 Mary Barford 3 Eldest child born in USA. So possible marriage was there as well. You may have to buy a birth cert for MMN
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16 Mar 2013 12:12 |
Andrew would you please mind posting evidence of USA. Thanks
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16 Mar 2013 12:12 |
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) BARFORD, Alice Bates Sub-District Atherton Registers At Wigan & Leigh >>>>> Mother's Maiden Name BATES <<< Reference ATH/77/50
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16 Mar 2013 12:13 |
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Fredk Barford Name: Fredk Barford Birth Date: abt 1892 Age: 5/12 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1892 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Umbria Search Ship Database: View the 'Umbria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Official Number: 91159
With Thomas and Marg. A
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16 Mar 2013 12:14 |
Thank you +++DetEcTive+++
Thank you Andrew
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Andrew
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16 Mar 2013 12:14 |
1901 for Frederick
1901 England Census about Frederick Barford Name: Frederick Barford Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Barford Mother's name: Margt A Barford Gender: Male >>>>>>>Where born: British Subject, United States <<<<<<<< Civil parish: Atherton Ecclesiastical parish: Atherton St John the Baptist County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: Atherton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Piece: 3596 Folio: 67 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Barford 30 Margt A Barford 27 Frederick Barford 9 Alice Barford 4 Mary Barford 3
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16 Mar 2013 12:16 |
According to the 1911 census Fred was born 1892 in Harrison USA, no clue as to which state.
This is the family returning from USA:
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Thos Barford Birth Date: abt 1870 Age: 22 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1892 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Umbria Official Number: 91159
He was a carpenter, travelling with Margt A (20) and Fredk (5 months)
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Mark
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16 Mar 2013 12:19 |
Possibly New Jersey
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2013 12:22 |
I'd lay odds it's BATES
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Andrew
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16 Mar 2013 12:22 |
Bates it is....
New Jersey, Births and Christenings Index, 1660-1931 about Fredrick Berford Name: Fredrick Berford Gender: Male Birth Date: 7 Oct 1891 Birth Place: Harrison, Hudson, New Jersey Father's Name: Thomas Berford Father's Age: 22 Father's Birth Place: England Mother's name: Margaret A Bates Mother's Age: 20 Mother's Birth Place: England FHL Film Number: 494220
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16 Mar 2013 12:23 |
WHY don't you use lancsbmd?????
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference BARFORD Alice Bates Atherton Wigan & Leigh BATES ATH/77/50
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16 Mar 2013 12:23 |
Age is a little out but possible arrival for Thomas in NY:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Thos Barford Arrival Date: 25 Apr 1889 Birth Date: abt 1871 Age: 18 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Egypt
A labourer, appears to be travelling alone
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16 Mar 2013 12:25 |
Possibly Thomas's outward voyage, travelling alone
Thos Barford Arrival Date: 25 Apr 1889 Birth Date: abt 1871 Age: 18 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Egypt
Not enough info on the image to say if its him or not
EDIT - what MC said!
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16 Mar 2013 12:28 |
Maybe Margaret going to US?
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Margt A Bates Name: Margt A Bates Arrival Date: 20 Nov 1890 Birth Date: abt 1871 Age: 19 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Majestic
Appears to be alone. Occ servant
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16 Mar 2013 12:29 |
Thomas Barford, "New Jersey, Marriages, 1678-1985"
Name: Thomas Barford Birth Date: 1869 Birthplace: Eng Age: 21 Spouse's Name: Margaret A. Bates Spouse's Birth Date: 1870 Spouse's Birthplace: Eng Spouse's Age: 20 Event Date: 20 Nov 1890 Event Place: Harrison, Hudson, New Jersey
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02518-1 System Origin: New Jersey-EASy GS Film number: 495711 Reference ID: p 363 m 16
Citing this Record https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FZG1-F2V
EDIT: Just noted the arrival record above - if that's her then they married the day she arrived!
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16 Mar 2013 12:31 |
MarieCeleste
Thank you for this ...........
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Andrew
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16 Mar 2013 12:31 |
Arrived and married the same day!!?
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16 Mar 2013 12:33 |
You're welcome Mark, with the amount of research you do you really need to bookmark the sites linked to!
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