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Denburybob
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10 Mar 2013 20:28 |
On a recent post it was suggested that a death could be found by using the DOB. I have tried this on FreeBMD, but all I get is "not a valid DOB" Any suggestions? Bob
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Denburybob
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10 Mar 2013 20:39 |
Just to add a bit more to my post, I am looking for death for Amy Spencer, born 27th October 1888. She disappears after the 1911 census. She may or may not have married. Bob
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jax
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10 Mar 2013 20:45 |
If the person died after 1969 then the death may be found by using the birthdate
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10 Mar 2013 20:48 |
Name: Amy Bishop Birth: 27 Oct 1888 Death: Jun 1979 - Solihull South, West Midlands, England England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
View Image Name: Amy Golder Birth: 27 Oct 1888 Death: Mar 1977 - Thanet, Kent, England England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries Name: Amy Julia Peacock Birth: 27 Oct 1888 Death: Feb 1985 - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
View Image Name: Amy Lanham Penfold Birth: 27 Oct 1888 Death: Mar 1981 - Gravesend, Kent, England
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Denburybob
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10 Mar 2013 20:56 |
Thanks for that Jax. Two possibles there, I can exclude the two with middle names. Bob
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2014 22:34 |
Hi, Bob - Following on from your reminder about Amy on your other thread: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1341508
Did you investigate the two possible deaths suggested by Jax? What was the result?
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ErikaH
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12 Jun 2014 22:39 |
Hardly any post-1969 deaths are on freebmd
You have to use a site for which you pay to input the DOB as a search tool
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MarieCeleste
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12 Jun 2014 22:42 |
Bob - where was she in 1911?
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2014 22:52 |
I don't see her in 1911, either. She was still alive in 1911 - the census record says her parents had 8 children, all still living
for our ref., here she is in 1901:
1901 England Census about Amy Spencer Name: Amy Spencer Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Mother: Thyrza Spencer Birth Place: Buntingford, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Layston Ecclesiastical parish: Layston Town: Buntingford County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England
Registration district: Royston Sub-registration district: Buntingford ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1291 Folio: 79 Page Number: 22 Household schedule number: 142 Household Members: Name Age Thyrza Spencer 35 Charley Spencer 13 Amy Spencer 12 Herbert Spencer 10 Eleanor Spencer 9 Sidney Spencer 7 Grace Spencer 4 Lily Spencer 2
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2014 23:07 |
Just a suggestion: [EDIT: On second thoughts, probably far too wild a guess to pay much attention to.]
this is the only Hertfordshire marriage of an Amy Spencer without a middle name, 1906-50 - Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%) Moore William Spencer Edmonton 3a 910 Spencer Amy Moore Edmonton 3a 910
If that were to be her, then there are these possible deaths:
Deaths Jun 1945 (>99%) Moore Amy 56 Hendon 3a 587
Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%) Moore Amy 29 Leicester 7a 623
Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%) Moore Amy 78 Derby 3a 284
Or, if she didn't marry:
Deaths Sep 1941 (>99%) Spencer Amy 52 Brentford 3a 361
Deaths Mar 1969 (>99%) SPENCER AMY 81 SURREY N W 5G 325
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2014 23:46 |
Here she is in 1911, in Sleaford Union Workhouse, looks like with two illegitimate children:
1911 England Census about Auy Spencer Name: Auy Spencer Age in 1911: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Female Birth Place: Braughing, Herts Civil Parish: Quarrington New Sleaford County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Marital Status: Single Occupation: Formerby Domestic Servant Registration district: Sleaford Registration District Number: 416 Sub-registration district: Sleaford ED, institution, or vessel: 21-22 Piece: 19648 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Edward Ayre 40 Rose Ayre 45 Edward Dundonald Ayre 11 Gwendoline Ayre 7 Alice Clara Clark 38 Stella Foss 22 Edward Brown 50 Ernest Shelton 8 Sturton Thomas Sturton 78 Charles Norris 51 William Hooton 72 Betsy Hooton 60 Tom Bavin 59 Sarah Stott 88 Auy Spencer 22 single, <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Cecily Marshall Spencer 2 b. Grimsby, Lincs.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Harry Spencer 8/12 b. Bishop's Stortford <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
(and many other inmates)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Cicely Marshall Spencer Name: Cicely Marshall Spencer Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1909 Registration district: Grimsby Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 618
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Harry Spencer Name: Harry Spencer Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910 Registration district: Bishop's Stortford Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 744
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jun 2014 23:50 |
Oh, how sad:
Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%) Spencer Cecily M 23 Lincoln 7a 476
Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%) SPENCER Harry 1 Sleaford 7a 527
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Chris Ho :)
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13 Jun 2014 07:55 |
County Lincolnshire Place Goxhill Church All Saints RegisterNumber 1834 BurialDate 07 Sep 1970 Forename Amy Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname SPENCER Age 72 Abode Thornton Road, Goxhill Notes Cremated
(age out, but above, from below)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Chris :)
County Lincolnshire Place Sleaford Church Municipal Cemetery RegisterNumber BurialDate 15 Sep 1911 Forename Harry Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname SPENCER Age 14m
Lincolnshire Cemetery Registers Transcription (Find My Past) First Name CECILY MARSHALL Last Name SPENCER Country England Record set Lincolnshire Cemetery Registers County Lincolnshire Year 1932 First Names Cecily Marshall Month Aug Year Of Birth 1909 Age 23 Place LINCOLN, CANWICK RD ST SWITHINS Abode Lincoln,St Hugh St Notes More in records Year 1932 Year Of Death 1932 Reference C21 Source LIN CR
http://www.roystonfhs.org.uk/JournalPages/2010Journal/gracespencer.html
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jax
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13 Jun 2014 15:48 |
Amy Spencer was born 1888 not 1898 chris
Would this be the death it relates to?
Deaths Sep 1970 (>99%)
SPENCER Amy Penton 20Mr1898 Scunthorpe 3b 951
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ArgyllGran
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13 Jun 2014 16:08 |
Apparently Amy had three illegitimate children, per Bob's threads about other members of the Spencer family:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1308772
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1318633
Is one of these your m-i-l's birth, Bob? The place might be a slight clue re a later marriage or death:
Births Sep 1912 (>99%) Spencer Grace Spencer Bradford 9b 353
Births Sep 1917 (>99%) Spencer Grace A J Spencer Basford 7b 443
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Chris Ho :)
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13 Jun 2014 16:34 |
That puzzled me a bit too Jax...
(she could have been the wife of below too, so possibly no connection!)
Burial County Lincolnshire Place Goxhill Church All Saints RegisterNumber 1735 BurialDate 21 Feb 1961 Forename Frank Bertram Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname SPENCER Age 70 Abode Goxhill
Chris :)
(from the Royston link posted earlier, below was 87 Wintringham Road, Grimsby, if you didn't find it)
1911 Lois Robinson 63 Head Widow Female 1848 South Thoresby Lincs Midwife Edith Robinson 13 Daughter - Female 1898 Grimsby Lincs - Mary Kirk 0 Adopted - Female 1911 Grimsby Lincs Address 87 Wintringham Road Grimsby Parish Great Grimsby County Lincolnshire Country England Registration district Grimsby Registration district number 422 Subdistrict Great Grimsby Subdistrict number 1 Enumeration district 3 Piece number 19948 Schedule number 217 Census reference RG14
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15 Jun 2014 01:05 |
Reggie - you don't have to pay. DOB only appears on d.certs after 1969q1, and FreeBMD has only 5 completed quarters post 1969q1. However, you can search deaths using DOB on Ancestry via: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7579 Although Ancestry won't let you view their transcription directly without a sub (for post-1915 certs), they will place an order for a d.cert (or b./m.cert), but after their mark-up for placing the order, the cost is abt 250% of what you'ld pay if you placed the order yourself. However, if you click on the shopping basket, they will show you what they would order, and this contains almost all the details in the GRO index - the main details omitted are DOB/age on d.certs, spousal name on m.certs, and mother's maiden surname on b.certs. Even if FreeBMD haven't transcribed the entry yet, you can view FreeBMD's image of the printed page (i.e., thru 1983) via the view images link on their home page. It's a klunky interface, but it will get you there eventually.
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Flip
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15 Jun 2014 06:55 |
It's Grace born Bradford 1912 according to Bob's tree on ancestry.
"Grace was born in the W/H in Bradford and was brought up, for the first 3 or 4 years in an orphanage run by Anglican Nuns in Paddington. She then went to a charity school in Chingford, London E4 until she was 14." ... from the tree.
What bothers me is how this particular Amy Spencer has been arrived at - the birth is out of the area for the 2 earlier births and there are lots of Amy Spencers around, so what proves you are following the right one? The b/c would only give her name, occupation and address but not her age - no official adoptions back in 1912 so no file available - and how did m-i-l know she had siblings? Unless, of course Cecily was at the same orphanage/school.
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15 Jun 2014 07:20 |
What occupation/address did Amy give on Grace's birth cert - I know you've said she was born in the W/H but that could just be the hospital was there another address?
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Chris Ho :)
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15 Jun 2014 07:33 |
http://www.roystonfhs.org.uk/JournalPages/2010Journal/gracespencer.html
(above gives below, worth a read)
To start with I had only a Birth Certificate and some anecdotal evidence to go on. The Birth Certificate indicated that Grace was born on 19th July 1912 at 217 Horton Lane, Horton, Bradford in the West Riding of Yorkshire. Her mother was Amy Spencer, a parlour maid of the same address. No name was given for the father, indicating that Grace was born out of wedlock...
Chris :)
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