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Simply cannot find who Im looking for here, I have a marriage certifate and this is what I know from that:

His name is Frederick Rogers, he was 29yrs old when he married in 1922 and he was a Stoker (Gas Works).
His fathers name was also Frederick Rogers and he was a Scaffolder.
He married my great grandmother Matilda May Leeds at Paddington Registry office in 1922 and at the time they both lived in Warrington Crescent, Maida Vale/Paddington.

I should say, my grandfather (Son of Matilda May Leeds) was born 2 years prior to this marriage and there is no father listed on his birth certificate. At that time, on the birth certificate, Matilda and her son (My grandfather) were resident in Milton Union Workhouse in Kent, then two years later Matilda marries Frederick Rogers and my grandfather was subsiquently given away. Matilda and Frederick then had two more children who were also given away.

I am trying to find out who Frederick was and where he came from etc. but Im a bit lost :-/

Can anyone help at all? Im not sure what to do next really!?

Thanks,
Elliot

Where have you looked? You can search 1911 census by occupation (for the father)

Who witnessed the marriage?

so at birth he was Leeds not Rogers ??

That was Matilda's son.............Elliot is looking for her husband

I think the person Elliot is looking for is Frederick Rogers. It is the son of Frederick's wife who would have been born with the surname Leeds.

Kath. x

1901 census shows three Fredericks with no second name whose fathers are also Frederick

None of the fathers is a scaffolder.

One has one leg
Another works on a farm
The third is a Miner

A bit lost here it wasnt Frederick who was bom circa 1920 but Alan??

Name: Alan Leeds
Mother's Maiden Surname: Leeds
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Milton
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2216.

With no father named thats a brickwall .

You've mis-read the request, Shirley

It is Alan's step-father, Frederick Rogers, who Elliot is looking for details of.

The witnesses on the marriage certificate may give a clue.

Kath. x

Name: Matilda May Leeds
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1896
Registration district: Faversham
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 892

Name: Matilda M Rogers
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1955
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Hampstead
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1048

Although this doesn't help with details for Frederick, I think this is Matilda on the 1911 census living with her married sister and family:-

1911 census transcription details for: 72 Mann St Walworth S E

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1839 RG78PN65 RD23 SD5 ED21 SN110
Reg. District: Southwark
Sub District: Newington South
Parish: St Mary Newington
Enum. District: 21

Address: 72 Mann St Walworth S E
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

SMART, Charles Head Married M 29 1882 Taxie Cab Washer London Brixton
SMART, Dorothy Wife Married 7 years F 28 1883 Pattern Card Mounter London Walworth
SMART, Charles Son M 6 1905 London Walworth
SMART, Dorothy Daughter F 3 1908 London Walworth
LEEDS, Joseph Broth In Law Single M 22 1889 Porters London Walworth
LEEDS, Charles Broth In Law Single M 20 1891 Taxie Cab Washer London Walworth
LEEDS, Beatrie Sister In Law Single F 15 1896 Tailoress Learner London Walworth
LEEDS, Matilda Sister In Law F 13 1898 School London Walworth<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
LEEDS, Grace Sister In Law F 10 1901 School London Walworth

EDIT - This may NOT be the correct Matilda as I think the married Dorothy on this record had the surname Seeds and not Leeds (although I know the transcription of these names could be confused).

Kath. x

Reggie thanks am getting my head around it now.

maybe Frederick was the informant on Matilda s death cert or she was widow which may help finding Freds death if he predeceased her

Matilda was born in 1896 in Kent

here she is in 1901

ame: Matilda M Leeds
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: Herbert J Leeds
Gender: Female
Where born: Teynham, Kent, England
Civil parish: Teynham
Ecclesiastical parish: Teynham St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Faversham
Sub-registration district: Teynham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 806
Folio: 83
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Leeds 70
Sarah Leeds 68
Herbert J Leeds 24
Matilda M Leeds 4

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 806; Folio: 83; Page: 6.


Teynham comes under Faversham reg district

Only thing I can suggest is to get Matilda's death cert of 1955 to see if it helps

Yes Shirley, thats Matilda in 1901 and I have found her on the 1911 too, its not the one kindly cited by Kath and I'll try not to complicate the issue any more but by 1911, both Matildas natural parents had died and she was living with her step-parents and had taken their name (Parks), she had a little brother and it was because of him that I found her on the 1911 as although her name had changed to Parks, he still had their original name of Leeds:

1911 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address Wanstalls Cottages Greenstret Lynsted Sittingbourne
Parish Lynsted
Town Greenstret Lynsted Sittingbourne
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 6
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN4410 RG78PN180 RD60 SD3 ED4 SN75
Administrative County Kent
Registration District Faversham
Registration Sub District Teynham
Enumeration District 4
Householder 1
Name William Parks
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1866
Occupation Farm Labourer
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Doddington Kent
Nationality British
Householder 2
Name Frances Parks
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 2 Years
Total Children Born Alive 1
Children Still Living 1
Children Who Have Died 0
Gender F
Age 33
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Sittingbourne Kent
Householder 3
Name Annie Parks
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1910
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Lynsted Kent
Householder 4
Name Matilda Parks
Relationship to Head of Household Stepdaughter
Gender F
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1897
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Teynham Kent
Householder 5
Name Herbert Leeds
Relationship to Head of Household Stepson
Gender M
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1905
Occupation School
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Tong Kent

Anyway, I have all the details about Matilda, but it is Frederick Rogers that I am searching for.

The Alan Leeds you posted about Shirley, that is indeed Matildas son and my grandfather.

He was born in a workhouse in Kent & then suddenly, 2yrs later Matilda is in London, getting married to Frederick Rogers.

It is this Frederick Rogers that Im looking for :-)

Can you post the names of the witnesses on the marriage certificate, also the addresses given by the bride and groom

Thanks

Hi Gins,

On the marriage cert. the address for them both was 31 Warrington Crescent, which is in Maida Vale/Paddington are of London.

I dont have ther cert with me, but will post the witnesses as soon as Ive got it!

Thank you guys!

While I think of it, Reggie mentioned that you can search the 1911 by occupation, can you do that on this website? If so, could you tell me how please? (Im probably being really dim, sorry) lol

Elliot did you see I posted Matilda's death of 1955 ?

Would suggest you get the cert as it will say wife or widow of then you will know if Fred was still alive then.

They may of course have separated if children were put into care.

I'm not sure if you can search the 1911 census by occupation on Genes but you can on Findmypast. There is no Frederick Rogers in the 1911 census with the occupation of stoker or scaffolder but their occupations could have changed several times between 1911 and the 1922 marriage.

Kath. x