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Hi,

Looking for any connection with Cope family who lived in Islington from about 1920 onwards. Thomas Bertam Cope and his wife Agnes Cope.

Kind regards

Is this the couple you are referring to??

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Thomas Bartram Cope
Name: Thomas Bartram Cope (Boot Maker) Bachelor
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Agnes Bennett (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Aug 1915
Parish: South Hackney St Augustine
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Joseph Richard Cope (Book Keeper)
Spouse Father Name: George Thomas Henry Bennett (Joiner)
Register Type: Parish Register
In the presence of: Catherine Mary Cooper....JR? Cope and George Thomas Henry (Harry?) Bennett.

Yes, it is. Cannot seem to find any children for this couple. Any ideas?

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Cope Muriel C Bennett Islington 1b 490

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?
She could still be alive
Muriel C Cope
Spouse Surname: Forde
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1944
Registration district: Newmarket
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1944
Have you looked to see if anyone has her or the parents in their trees on here?

Cheers. Looks like a good possibility. Why could I not find that!!!

I can't see a Muriel with Thomas and Agnes on any of the Electoral records.

The marriage that I posted was to Frank M Forde.
Just found this:
Frank Michael Forde
Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1919
Death Date: 30 Jan 1944
Cemetery: The Runnymede Memorial Part V
Burial Country: England
Father: Patrick Forde
Mother: Sheila Mary Forde
Service Number: 1527398
Region or Memorial: Memorial Register

Relevant death in Australia? - father's name is correct

Thomas Bertram Cope
Death Place: Ballarat, Victoria
Age: 55
Father's Name: Jos Richd Cope
Mother's name: Marian Edith Williams
Registration Year: 1949
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 16129
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894

CWGC version of Frank's death:

FORDE, FRANK MICHAEL

Rank:Sergeant
Service No:1527398
Date of Death: 30/01/1944
Age:25
Regiment/Service:
Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 622 Sqdn.
Panel Reference Panel 229.
Memorial RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Patrick and Sheila Mary Forde, of Dublin, Republic of Ireland.

Mr T B Cope
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Birth Date: abt 1893
Departure Date: 9 Jul 1948
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Orion
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Orion' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Line
Official Number: 164493
Master: Sir Arthur J Baxter

age 55 travelling with Mrs A (58) of 23 Highbury grove N5 (they were on ERs up to 1939). He is a master shoemaker and their intended future permanent residence was Australia.

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Agnes Cope
Death Place: Ballarat, Victoria
Age: 60
Father's Name: Fredk Bennett
Mother's name: Uk
Registration Year: 1952
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 16117
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892

Cant find anything for Muriel after the marriage?

Wonder if this is her


Marriages Jun 1949
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Ford Muriel C Playter Belper 3a 145
Playter Edward J Ford Belper 3a 145


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Muriel & Edward J Playter
Year: 1950
County or Borough: Lambeth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Vauxhall
Street Address: 7 Malham Road


Hmmm, there is a 1950 birth for Playter, MMN Ford

Goodness me. Thanks all so much.It is definitely my Thomas and Agnes that emigrate to Australia. Had no idea. Thomas's occupation in 1911 census and marriage certificate is boot mender. So all ties in. Will carry on looking for Muriel and check out her marriage. Once again thanks a million.

There's a tree on Ancestry showing no children for Thomas & Agnes, but it could be wrong. You may need the birth cert to be sure she is their child.

Do you have his father's history? His death & probate in 1921 grants administration to Richard John Cope (taxi proprietor) and Thomas Bertram (bootmaker). Looks like Richard was from his first marriage, which I guess ended in divorce (petition in 1888), but both Joseph and his first wife re-married.

Yes I have seen that on Ancestry. Marion, Thomas' Mum dies about 1918. I have been trying to find Thomas and his family on 1901 census but not with much success. In 1911 Thomas is living with his Uncle, my great grandfather, Michael Williams. But I cannot find him in 1901 census or his Mum or brothers. By this time his Mum is not with Joseph Cope. In 1911 census his Mum Marion is known as Marion Burley and living with Mr Burley, although they never marry. As I said cannot find them on 1901 census.

There is a birth for Muriel C Ford in Derby in 1926, and then this death to rule out the marriage:
Name: Muriel Cynthia Playter
Birth Date: 5 Sep 1926
Date of Registration: Feb 2004
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: South Warwickshire
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Register Number: 26C
District and Subdistrict: 773/3
Entry number: 151

Perhaps you should buy Muriel C Cope's birth certificate for exact date of birth and middle name? She may have stopped using Muriel and used the 'C'.

I can't find any of the family in 1901 either, although Joseph Richard Cope is on the 1911 census

Joseph Richard Cope
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wimpole
Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 111 Church Road, Islington N
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: BOOK KEEPER
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Islington South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 907
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Richard Cope 64

The image states married 20 years, 7 children born of which 4 still alive. Still states married but he is living alone

Also, although his first wife filed for divorce it was dismissed so not sure if they ever actually divorced - although she re-married in 1895, so I presume it did go through.

Just received marriage certificate for miuriel. She does marry frank michael Forde who sadly dies January 1944. I then see a marriage for Muriel c fired to Noel b Richardson, also Newmarket at the end of 1944. Could thus also be her. Anyone help me out here. Cannot find a Noel b Richardson. Wondering if he was American. Any help would be great.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._622_Squadron_RAF

(possibly RAF Mildenhall based)

Chris :)