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Hi Sally
I've already added a reply to this tread but don't think it came out. Apologies if it did and I'm repeating myself. My granddad was Frederick George Bartlett who was born in 1911 to Charles Bartlett and Charlotte Briffitt and so is the brother to your granddad (which makes us (albeit distant) cousins). I never met John but do remember my granddad mentioning him. Fred died in 1987 and so I can't ask him anything about him. Fred also was a furrier. I've also only met one or two of the Bartlett's myself and that was when I was very young but if I can help you with any questions you may have then please ask as you never know I may be able to help.
Sally

Thanks Astra,

just off for tea now. will ponder over this one.

By way you have been a star with all your help and Chris Thank you.

S :-D

That's a difficult one. There are several deaths which could be his in various parts of the country. To confirm a match we would need his full birth date from his birth certificate providing the person who informed of his death knew this and that he died late enough for his birth date to be given on his death registration.
He may have left the country and died abroad. or he may even still be living or if he died after 2005 his death will not be onlline.
Just too many probables!

Astra and Chris you are Amazing!!! What you can find out when you know and understand what your doing!!! How did you find all that info so quickly and where????

I missed the Printers working foreman connection to Charles when I first saw this record YEARS ago!!

For your next trick.... is my Gpa John still around at a ripe old age somewhere????
Or pushing up daisy's the more likely out come!


:-D

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Year: 1938
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Southwark
Street Address: 32 Falmouth Road

(on above, are Bartlett, Alice Ellen, Charles, Edward, Frank, John)

Same, 1939, with brother Harold James.

Chris :)


Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Bartlett Frank Briffitt Southwark 1d 63


Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Bartlett Harold J Briffitt Southwark 1d 56


(would say above were brothers)


1901
BARTLETT, Charles Head Married M 24 1877 Compositor Printer
Southwark
BARTLETT, Charlotte Wife Married F 24 1877
Southwark
BARTLETT, Charles Son Single M 1 (12 MOS) 1900
Southwark
BARTLETT, Samuel Stephen Son Single M 0 (3 MOS) 1901
Southwark
Piece: 364
Folio: 26
Page: 6
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
Municipal Borough:
Address: 7, Cumbrac Buildings, Tabard Street, St George The Martyr Southwark
County: London

If Henry was my John. Would he have to put Henry on his marriage certif to Gran in 1940???

Would also consider the 1911 posted by Astra, earlier...the Alice E born 1913 would be sister to John, born 1916...

Chris :)

I have asked myself, many times, the same question!!! AN simply I dont 'know' . Have tried to work backwards from marriage certificate.

John and Bessie's marriage certificate is my only solid real lead and that puts them both at 23yrs old in 1940. Bessie born in April 1917.

My thinking on Charles was the printing industry and the tradition of families working in the same industry. And the time it would take to work his way up from the bottom, a Cropper Hand, to becoming a fully fledged Printer and Compositor.

Misguided Newby!!!! :-(

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Bartlett Alice E Briffitt Southwark 1d 50


(the Alice, mentioned earlier, below is a good link, if you haven't come across it)


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Chris :)


1911 (from your posting above)
BARTLETT, Henry Arthur Head Married M 46 1865 Bricklayer London Lambeth
BARTLETT, Alice Wife Married24 years F 41 1870 London Westminster
BARTLETT, Henry Arthur Son Single M 23 1888 Bookbinder London Camberwell
BARTLETT, Caroline Daughter Single F 19 1892 Envelope Folder London Camberwell
BARTLETT, Lilian Daughter Single F 17 1894 Envelope Folder London Camberwell
BARTLETT, Charles Son Single M 15 1896 Cropper Hand London Camberwell
BARTLETT, Kate Daughter F 14 1897 London Camberlwell
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1839
Reference: RG14PN1839 RG78PN65 RD23 SD5 ED21 SN292
Registration District: Southwark
Sub District: Newington South
Enumeration District: 21
Parish: St Mary Newington
Address: 72 Inville Road Walworth S E
County: London

How do you know he was born 1917 Southwark, as you have in your Tree?...

Chris :)

(have you checked 'Search All Trees', top right of page, under 'Search', he seems to be shared)

Thanks Chris Ho:)

I came across the John you have there . Marriage certif puts them both at 23 yrs old when they married in Aug 1940.

On the 1911 census there is a household of Henry Arthur Bartlett who among his children has an Alice and Charles But most interesting is the occupation of the children. eldest is a bookbinder, the girls and envelop folders and Charles is a Cropper hand. All to do with printing! And all in the Southwark area.

This also puts Charles at 15yrs and born in 1896.

But without John's info to confirm how do you tell who it really is????
:-S :

(looks like a mistake on mothers maiden name, others are Briffitt!)

Chris :)

That's the same family Chris
Alice E was born 1913 and Harold J 1918. I wonder if he shortened his name?
Ah no. I see now the maiden name on John's birth was mistranscribed

Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Bartlett John Driffitt Southwark 1d 46


Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
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Bartlett Charles St.Saviour 1d 96
Briffitt Charlotte St Saviour 1d 96

(wondered if above, fits with 1911 posted, although Birth given as 1917, Southwark, in 'Search Trees'!)

Chris :)

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for answering and all the questions.
Missing :- Left Gran & Mum in 1945 turned up 1951 Approx. and never heard of again. thats from Mums child hood memories.
Married :- Bessie Mary Watkins nee martin 11th Aug 1940 (1 month before mum arrived) Reg:- Metropolitan Southwark Civil Dist:- Newington
living at 32 Falmouth Rd, S.E.1
Occupation:- Private in 5th Royal Berkshire Reg. (I have some info on the regim)
Father: Charles Bartlett Occ:- Printer & Compositor
Witnesses: Alice E Bartlett & Josiah (or Joshua) Bartlett
Only other info John was a Furrier in London before the war but after his hands were ruined and couldnt continue it! that was from the only time Gran spoke of him!! I have loads of info about Gran as the martin side of her family have a massive family tree.

Thats about all I know of dear old John Bartlett.

Thanks all








:-D

Sally

You will benefit from reading the guidelines about posting requests on the boards.

Either that......or look at other threads to get an idea about how to proceed

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BARTTETT, Charles Head Married M 34 1877 Printer's Working Foreman London Southwark VIEW
BARTTETT, Charlotte Wife Married12 years F 34 1877 London Southwark VIEW
BARTTETT, Charles Son M 11 1900 London Southwark VIEW
BARTTETT, Samuel S Son M 10 1901 London Southwark VIEW
BARTTETT, Josiah Son M 8 1903 London Southwark VIEW
BARTTETT, Benjamin Son M 3 1908 London Southwark VIEW
BARTTETT, Henry Son M 2 1909 London Southwark VIEW
BARTTETT, Edward Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 London Southwark VIEW
MASON, Benjamin Boarder Single M 30 1881 Leather Warehouseman Dry Skins London Southwark VIEW


Ignore this there is no John born to this family although there is a Harold J born in 1918 and an Alice born in 1913

Where was grandad born? Do you know his mother's maiden name?

Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
Bartlett John Hull Coventry 6d 1256
Bartlett John D R G Gordge Weymouth 5a 418
Bartlett John F D Regan Dover 2a 1824

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Bartlett John C Burrows Bromley 2a 803
Bartlett John D Bowler Pancras 1b 127
Bartlett John H Edgland Devonport 5b 387
Bartlett John J P Bartlett Pontypridd 11a 1011

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Bartlett John Pearce Sculcoates 9d 342
Bartlett John Walker Shaftesbury 5a 267

He married your Gran (Presumably) or at least....well, you have a parent from them!

where and when?