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Craig
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29 Oct 2012 22:04 |
Can any one help with this querie. Isabella Mouait Thomson b.c.1831 Scotland. She married a well to do gentleman called Joseph William Robinson b. 23 January 1827 Finsbury, Middlesex, England. They married on the 2 December 1861 Knox Church, Dunedin, New Zealand. Joseph died in 1884 Wanganui, NZ. He started the Volunteer Fire Brigade in Wanganui and was well known. (actually married 3 times) Now Isabella was buried 13 November 1863 Southern Cemetery, Dunedin, New Zealand. In the same grave are 2 other females. Catherine Thomson buried 1866, 17 years old. Jessie Duncan buried 1909, 48 years. Catherine's death notice say's she was the fifth daughter of Mrs James Thomson late of Linglithgowshire, 'Scotland. What I have been trying to do is find out if it's possible that Catherine and Isabella are connected, sister's ?? Then who is the Jessie Duncan she died on the 26 Jan 1909 Melbourne, Australia. Could Jessie be a daughter of Isabella's, the age is about right, can't find any doc's proving anything. Is there anyone who could possibly help.
Craig
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29 Oct 2012 22:32 |
What was the name of Isabella's Father from the marriage certificate? Thanks
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BeverleyW
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29 Oct 2012 22:52 |
Just a vague possibility:
Piece: SCT1841/673 Place: Whitburn -West Lothian Enumeration District: 5 Civil Parish: Whitburn Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 0 Page: 8 Address: Langrigg
THOMSON James M 40 Mason West Lothian THOMSON Grace F 30 Outside Census County (1841) THOMSON Isabell F 11 West Lothian THOMSON Thomas M 9 West Lothian THOMSON Margaret F 7 West Lothian THOMSON Robert M 5 West Lothian THOMSON Bethia F 3 West Lothian THOMSON Grace F 1 West Lothian MARSHALL Peter M 20 Shoemaker Appren West Lothian
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29 Oct 2012 23:14 |
Maybe not so vague Beverley?
1851
Name: Cathrine Thomson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Son Mother's name: Grace Thomson Where born: Whitburn, Linlithgow Parish Number: 673 Civil parish: Whitburn Town: Longridge County: West Lothian Address: Longridge ED: 5 Page: 2 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 10 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_174 Household Members: Name Age Grace Thomson 43 Thomas Thomson 18 Betsy Thomson 13 Grace Thomson 11 James Thomson 9 William Thomson 1 Alexander Thomson 5 George M Thomson 3 Cathrine Thomson 1
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rootgatherer
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29 Oct 2012 23:26 |
groom's name: James Thomson bride's name: Grace Wallace marriage date: 24 Jan 1829 marriage place: Whitburn,West Lothian,Scotland indexing project (batch) number: M11673-4 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 102998, 1066639, 1066640
From the 1851 census
Name: Grace Thomson Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Carstairs, Lanark Parish Number: 673 Civil parish: Whitburn Town: Longridge County: West Lothian Address: Longridge
Scottish naming pattern, the first female child of a marriage is given the maternal grandmother's name often including her maiden surname.
Grace was a common diminutative form of Grizell / Grizella / Grizelda etc.
parents: Robert Wallace,? Isabel Mowat name: Grizal Wallace gender: Female baptism/christening date: 03 May 1807 baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND father's name: Robert Wallace mother's name: Isabel Mowat indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1042971
I think that with accents Mowat probably became Mouait?
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29 Oct 2012 23:36 |
parents: Robert Wallace,? Isbel Mowat name: Jane Wallace gender: Female baptism/christening date: 16 May 1813 baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND father's name: Robert Wallace mother's name: Isbel Mowat indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1042971
name: Robert Wallace gender: Male baptism/christening date: 29 Jul 1810 baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND father's name: Robert Wallace mother's name: Isbel Mowat indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1042971
name: Mary Wallace gender: Female baptism/christening date: 20 May 1804 baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND father's name: Robert Wallace mother's name: Isobel Mowat indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1042971
name: Isabell Wallace gender: Female baptism/christening date: 31 Jan 1802 baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND father's name: Robert Wallace mother's name: Isobel Mowet indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1042971
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29 Oct 2012 23:50 |
Again following the Scottish naming pattern ( and allowing for ages being rounded down in 1841 census, one of these may be James?
name: James Thompson gender: Male baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND birth date: 18 Apr 1795 birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland father's name: James Thompson mother's name: Margaret Walker indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1066639
name: James Thompson gender: Male baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND birth date: 01 Mar 1797 birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland father's name: Thomas Thompson mother's name: Margaret Calder indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1066639
My money is on the second one.
name: John Thompson gender: Male baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND birth date: 22 Aug 1799 birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland father's name: Thomas Thompson mother's name: Margaret Calder indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1066639
name: Thomas Thompson gender: Male baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND birth date: 17 Mar 1790 birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland father's name: Thomas Thompson mother's name: Margaret Calder indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1066639
name: Katharine Thompson gender: Female baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND birth date: 26 Sep 1794 birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland father's name: Thomas Thompson mother's name: Margaret Calder indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1066639
name: Elizabeth Thompson gender: Female baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND birth date: 29 May 1792 birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland father's name: Thomas Thompson mother's name: Margaret Calder indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2 system origin: Scotland-VR source film number: 1066639
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30 Oct 2012 00:33 |
1861
Name: Grace Thomson Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Carstairs, Lanark Registration number: 673 Registration district: Whitburn Civil parish: Whitburn County: West Lothian Address: Village Of Longridge Occupation: Proprietor Of Houses ED: 7 Household schedule number: 83 Line: 16 Roll: CSSCT1861_121 Household Members: Name Age Grace Thomson 52 Cathrine Thomson 11 Mary Thomson 10
As Grace died after statutory registration began in Scotland, her death registration (available from Scotlandspeople) will confirm the names of her parents if the informant knew the details.
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30 Oct 2012 00:36 |
This might prove relevant?
Name: Isobel Wallace Age: 76 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1765 Gender: Female Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland Civil parish: Carstairs County: Lanarkshire Address: Village Of Carstairs Occupation: Spinner Parish Number: 633 Household Members: Name Age Isobel Wallace 76 Janet Wallace 62
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30 Oct 2012 00:43 |
And these?
1851
Name: Robert Wallace Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Margaret Wallace Gender: Male Where born: Carstairs, Lanark Parish Number: 282 Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: Pitcairns Court Occupation: Fereman ED: 21 Page: 28 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 112 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1851_60 Household Members: Name Age Robert Wallace 41 Margaret Wallace 31 Marjory Wallace 7 John Wallace 3 Thomas Mclaren 28 1861
Name: Robert Wallace Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margret Wallace Gender: Male Where born: Carstairs, Lanarkshire Registration number: 282/2 Registration district: Dundee Second District Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: Lochee Road No 28 Occupation: Fireman ED: 22 Household schedule number: 88 Line: 15 Roll: CSSCT1861_41 Household Members: Name Age Robert Wallace 51 Margret Wallace 41 Margory Wallace 17 John Wallace 13 Isabella Wallace 9 Margret Wallace 6 Amelia Wallace 4 James Wallace 2
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Craig
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30 Oct 2012 00:57 |
Thanks a lot for all that it all look's good. The burial record said Catherine was a female.Yes, the spelling of Mouait would of been written differently in each location. This has given me a lot to check on in future. Thanks a heap
Craig
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rootgatherer
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30 Oct 2012 10:42 |
If you can get Jessie Duncan's death certificate for some more information about her, we may be able to track her down too.
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Craig
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31 Oct 2012 00:06 |
I will get back to you, shift worker so out of action for a few days.
Craig
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31 Oct 2012 10:31 |
No problem Craig. Don't work too hard.
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Craig
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3 Nov 2012 02:01 |
Hi All Just found the last name to Joseph's 3rd wife it was Julia Ann Anson b.1844 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. You wouldn't believe it but a chap I work with found her family for me.
Craig
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7 Oct 2013 06:10 |
This is a reply to (rootgather) All the data you sent me about Isabella Mouait Thomson has been very accurate. I am awaiting a reply from a woman here in NZ who has a family tree on Ancestry and it is the family I have been hunting. It turns out that Isabella's grandmother was a Mowat. Catherine is a sister to Isabella and as I said is buried in the same grave. The Jessie Duncan I'm still hunting for, my brother in Auzi is checking the Melbourne Papers for me where she died in 1909. I believe she is a daughter to Isabella and Joesph and not recorded. I await to see what my brother comes up with in Auzi. Once again thanks a heap.
Craig
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7 Oct 2013 19:20 |
Good to hear from you again Craig. So glad we track the right family.
Some info. about Jessie.
Name: Jessie Duncan Death Place: Carlton, Victoria Age: 47 Father's Name: Mills Jas Mother's Name: Jane Registration Year: 1909 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 777 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
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Craig
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7 Oct 2013 19:49 |
Well the fathers last name may throw a spanner in the works but I will await my brothers reply and see what happens. Question is still why is she in the same grave as Isabella and Catherine, must be related for that to happen.
Craig
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rootgatherer
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7 Oct 2013 20:07 |
Jessie could be a Cousin or even a niece of William Robinson.
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Craig
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7 Oct 2013 22:06 |
Hi rootgather Jessie Mills (m) James Wilson Duncan in NZ. Sent email to a chap just now who has data on a John Mills & Jane Calder. Seen data on NZ arrivals, family 1st settlers in Green Island Dunedin, NZ. Your data on Jessie's death, father, Mills Jas & Jane helped. Could be John Mills & Jane Calder. Awaiting a reply to see if there was a child called Jessie. I'll get to the bottom of this if it kills me.
Craig
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