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6 Jul 2012 03:17 |
I am looking for the burial of my great grandmother. She was Charlotte Cornock, born in Gloucestershire circa 1818 and died in Deptford Kent in 1890. I could not find her on the burial index or in the place of her birth or death. As she died intestate, probate was given to her son, but I can't find the other next of kin, despite applying for an 'admon'. Any suggestions welcome! yewtree
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 03:26 |
For Ref is this her
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Charlotte Cornock Name: Charlotte Cornock Probate Date: 29 Jul 1890 Death Date: 14 Jul 1890 Death Place: London, England Registry: Principal Registry Principal Registry to george Cornock of 46 Johns Rd baker the son and one of the NOK 63 pounds
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 03:34 |
She is not appearing on census with anyone else that I can see
1881 England Census about Charlotte Cornock Name: Charlotte Cornock Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Mother Gender: Female Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Deptford St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 11C Garden Row Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford ED, institution, or vessel: 56 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 712 Folio: 124 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age George Cornock 25 <<<master Baker Charlotte Cornock 60
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 03:46 |
Son George appears here with Uncle (if it is the correct one)
NO siblings here for George,all other children are Thomas and Hannahs
1861 England Census about George Cornock Name: George Cornock Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Slimbridge, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Slimbridge County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Dursley Sub-registration district: Dursley ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 58 Piece: 1753 Folio: 122 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Cornock 36 Hannah Cornock 37 Cornelius Cornock 11 Thomas Cornock 10 James Cornock 7 Ann Cornock 4 William Cornock 1 George Cornock 5
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 03:53 |
Possibly Georges marriage ..gives father as George a Baker but I cannot find him with anymore family members ,I think he is with grandparents in 1871 aged 15
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Cornock Name: George Cornock Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Spouse Name: Emily Lavinia Connor Spouse Age: 42 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1891 Parish: Deptford St Paul Borough: Lewisham Father Name: George Cornock Spouse Father Name: Francis Bridges Register Type: Parish Register
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yewtree
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6 Jul 2012 03:56 |
Hello Susan, Thanks for your replies re Charlotte Cornock, yes, this is my gt grandmother, she was never married as far as I can discover, but had an illegitimate son, George and I think an illegitimate daughter,Ellen, born circa 1847. I would like to know who were the next of kin mentioned in the probate grant, given to son George in 1890. I applied to the probate office for a copy of the admon, as she died intestate, but they did not send that ,only a copy of the probate grant, a copy of which I already had. Your help much appreciated. Kath
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6 Jul 2012 04:01 |
A tree on Ancestry lists another child of Margaret as Eleanor Jane Cornack. In 1861 she is living with Margarets parents as a grandaughter and by 1871 she is listed as daughter
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Name: Ellen J Charnock [Ellen J Francis] Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: N Wales, Bangor Civil parish: Slimbridge County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Dursley Sub-registration district: Dursley ED, institution, or vessel: 10c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 72 Piece: 1753 Folio: 137 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Charnock 69 Ann Charnock 64 Ellen J Charnock 14
1871 Name: Eleanor J Hard [Sharon Francis] [Eleanor J Cornock] Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Daughter Spouse's Name: Henry Hard Father's Name: Thomas Cornock Gender: Female Where born: Slimbridge, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Slimbridge Town: Slimbridge County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Dursley Sub-registration district: Dursley ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 70 Piece: 2595 Folio: 73 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Cornock 79 Henry Hard 26 Eleanor J Hard 23 William H Hard 4 Mary A Hard 2 Collen C Hard 10 Months George Cornock 15
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 04:14 |
That 1871 census posted by K has an alteration.
Contributions for Eleanor J Hard This is what other Ancestry members have added to this record. 1 Contributions Name sharon francis rather than Eleanor J Hard Should be HURD Submitted by francis4_1 on 22/06/2007
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yewtree
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6 Jul 2012 05:01 |
Hi Susan, A lot of confucion here ! Eleanor Jane is first recorded on the 1851 census of Slimbridge,Glos as Ellen Loyd aged 3 a relative born Cheltenham living with Thomas and Ann Cornock. in the 1861 census she is recorded as Eleanor Jane Charnock aged 13yrs, still living with her grandparents Thomas and Ann in Slimbridge Glos. By the 1871 census she is married to Henry Hurd, and born in Bangor,N.Wales. and still living in Slimbridge. When Henry died,she married Emmanuel Hobbs in 1891 and aged 43. On various censuses she was born Cheltenham,Slimbridge and Bangor! She died in 1929 in Slimbridge. I have looked for her under the names of Loyd,Cornock,Hurd and Hobbs, but still have not found her real date and place of birth or who her parents were ! She is a real mystery.Was her mother Charlotte Cornock, a daughter of Thomas and Anne??? Confusion reigns.... Kath
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 05:38 |
I think this is Thomas in 1841 ,still more confused. That Francis name comes in again...no sign of a Charlotte but should could have left home by now.
1841 England Census about Thomas Cornack Name: Thomas Cornack [Thomas Francis] Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Slimbridge Hundred: Berkeley (Upper Division) County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Dursley Sub-registration district: Dursley Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 348 Book: 6 Folio: 19 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Cornack 50 <<<cordwinder...all of the area Ann Cornack 45 Amelia Cornack 20 Thomas Cornack 15 Alexina Cornack 9
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 05:52 |
Kath do you have any marriage certs for Ellen it could have her fathers name on any one of the two if she knew that is.
Sue
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6 Jul 2012 05:56 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Henry Hurd Name: Henry Hurd Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1866 Registration district: Gloucester Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume Number: 6a Page Number: 470 Eleanor J Cornock
....................... England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Emmaniel Hobbs Name: Emmaniel Hobbs Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891 Registration district: Dursley Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume Number: 6a Page Number: 339 Eleanor Jane Hurd
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yewtree
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6 Jul 2012 07:13 |
Hi Susan On her marriage cert to Henry Hurd she named her father as Thomas Cornock, but really this was her grandfather. On her marriage certificate to Emanuel Hobbs in 1891 at Slimbridge, no father was entered for Eleanor Jane Hurd, just that she was a widow aged 43yrs. I think the Francis entry is a mistake, I could be wrong but I don't think so.There is no mention of the name Francis on any other document relating to the family that I have seen. Thanks again for the info. Kath
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 08:02 |
Hi Kath
I just find it strange to have Sharon Francis on the corrected 1871 census for eleanor J posted by K ....and the 1841 census I posted for 1841 for Thomas.
Is it possible that the families last name was Francis at some point.
Sue
Edit In that 1841 Census I posted all the family are know also as last name Francis
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6 Jul 2012 08:29 |
I think Francis entries are an Ancestry error. Sharon Francis reported an error in the transcription of the Cornock name and her name seems to have been attached to the family in other years than the one she reported the error - 1871.
Apologies I should have edited my post, but returned to sleep afterwards having been originally woken by a deluge of rain
Good Luck Kay
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Susan
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6 Jul 2012 09:05 |
Thanks K
That does explain a lot....I thought I was going nuts there for a while .
So back to Cornock
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Gee
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6 Jul 2012 09:53 |
You can send for a copy of the full will from here - £6incl
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate
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6 Jul 2012 10:09 |
Kath
Is this your tree at Ancestry?
Charlotte Cornock Stephensupdate<<tree owner Birth: 7 Mar 1818 - Gloucestershire, England Death: 14 Jul 1890 - London, London, England Parents: Thomas Cornock, Ann Iles
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6 Jul 2012 10:17 |
Charlotte Cornock Death: 14th July 1898, 46 St Johns Road, age 73 Cause of death: pleuropneumonia Widow of: George Cornock Bakerman
Informant: George Cornock, son in attendance
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Gee
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6 Jul 2012 13:14 |
I dont understand why you said she died Intestate, there is a probate record for her?
Have you tried the link that I posted to ask for a search of the will?
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