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Dorothy
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7 Jun 2012 20:03 |
I am trying to find the missing chains in the link without success and would be grateful for any help. Beatrice Waters was born in Reading in 1899. She was the daughter of Sarah Waters who died on 23 September 1944 in Balsall Heath, Birmingham. On her mother's funeral card she was called Lynda Beatrice Scott. She died after July 1951 as she was on my mother's wedding photo. Mum told me that she had been divorced and remarried. Beatrice was an artist and I believe had art exhibitions.
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brummiejan
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7 Jun 2012 20:08 |
Do you have her exact birth date? If she died 1969-2006 this can be used to look for a death, as DOB is shown on indexes.. Jan
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MarieCeleste
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7 Jun 2012 20:14 |
Previous connected thread:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/history/thread/388674
Doesn't look like there were any replies to it but I'll post the original request here in case there's useful background info:
"Do you have any information on Sarah Waters, mother of Lynda Beatrice Scott? She was living at 66 Tindal Street, Balsall Heath, Birmingham when she died on 23 Sep 1944 aged 77 years. She was married to William Waters born 1864, Gosport, Hampshire. Their father was Timothy Waters born in Great Bedwyn 1837. My Grandmother was given Timothy's medal on the death of Sarah Waters by Lynda Beatrice Scott. Sergeant Timothy Waters was in the Wilts Militia, part of 8 Company, (on H.M.S. Acvtive) Portsmouth Division and awarded the Conspicuous Galantry Medal for 31 January 1974, the action at Amoaful. This was part of Kumasi (Coomassie) in the Ashanti war. Do you know how I might obtain a citation for his award or any further information about him? "
Whilst this is a different request sometimes going back helps us come forward!
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patchem
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7 Jun 2012 20:16 |
This birth? Births Mar 1899 Waters Beatrice Reading 2c 336
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patchem
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7 Jun 2012 20:19 |
1911 WATERS, Sarah Head Widow F 47 1864 Let Apartments Banbury Oxon WATERS, Beatrice Daughter F 12 1899 School Reading Berks WATERS, Timothy Father In Law Widower M 74 1837 Naval Pensioner Great Bedwyn
RG number: RG14 Piece: 17891 Reference: RG14PN17891 RG78PN1092 RD383 SD2 ED7 SN157
Registration District: Kings Norton Sub District: Balsall Heath Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Balsall Heath Address: 37 Oakfield Road Balsall Heath Birmingham County: Worcestershire
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MarieCeleste
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7 Jun 2012 20:34 |
This gives us her date of birth:
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Beatrice Waters gender: Female baptism/christening date: 02 Apr 1899 baptism/christening place: St. Marys, Reading, Berkshire, England birth date: 06 Dec 1898 birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Willie Waters father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Sarah Waters mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C01410-0 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1040619 reference number: item 3 p 271
Source Citation "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRDR-CZN : accessed 7 June 2012), Beatrice Waters, 1898.
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MarieCeleste
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7 Jun 2012 20:40 |
Can't see a death for a Lynda with birthdate 06 Dec 1898, but there are all of these:
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
NAME: Beatrice Ada Balchin BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Jan 1985 - Bexley, Kent, England
NAME: Mabel Beatrice B Cramp BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Jun 1982 - Surrey Northern, Surrey, England
NAME: Ada Beatrice Dand BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Jun 1970 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
NAME: Beatrice Hoyle BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Dec 1973 - Heywood, Lancashire, England
NAME: Beatrice Jones BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Jun 1980 - Stourbridge, West Midlands, England
NAME: Beatrice Agnes Jukes BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Jan 1995 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
NAME: Beatrice May Morgan BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Jan 1988 - Merthyr Tydfil, Mid Glamorgan, Wales
NAME: Rosa Beatrice Penn BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Mar 1970 - Brixworth, Northamptonshire, England
NAME: Beatrice Salter BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Mar 1984 - Exeter, Devon, England
NAME: Ivy Beatrice A Smith BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Jan 1990 - Harrow, England and Wales
NAME: Beatrice Wade BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898 DEATH: Dec 1977 - Colchester, Essex, England
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7 Jun 2012 20:51 |
Did Beatrice marry Scott first or 2nd ?
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Dorothy
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7 Jun 2012 21:13 |
I was under the impression Beatrice married Scott second but as my mother died a while ago I cannot confirm this.
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Dorothy
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8 Jun 2012 13:20 |
Waters is sometimes spelt Walters and I have tried looking for a marriage in the Birmingham area and a subsequent marriage to a Scott. Nothing seems to tie up. I suppose there could have been other marriages. My mother was from a generation where divorce was frowned upon. As Beatrice searched for my Grandmother for sometime and there was a period of her life when the family were not in touch anything is possible.
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Dorothy
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9 Mar 2013 20:47 |
I have sent for Beatrice's birth certificate which confirms her date of birth as 6-12-1898. She was given the name Beatrice only. Don't know how she came to use Lydia. Still can not find any records that tie up. Am at a loss which avenue to go down next. Any ideas?
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brummiejan
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9 Mar 2013 20:57 |
Do you mean Lydia or Linda? Jan
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Dorothy
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9 Mar 2013 21:03 |
Sorry - a typing error I meant Lynda. I notice on one of her paintings she signs herself Lynne.
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mgnv
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10 Mar 2013 03:11 |
I looked on FreeBMD for births in Reading 1896-1901 for Beatrice (actually looked for Bea*) and there's only 2 with a surname anything like Waters:
Births Mar 1899 (>99%) Waters Beatrice Reading 2c 336 [your lass]
Births Dec 1899 (>99%) Waters Beatrice Maud Reading 2c 352
This agrees with the local index at http://www.berkshirebmd.org.uk/ Berkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1899 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference WATERS Beatrice M St Giles, Reading Reading STG/73/63 WATERS Beatrice St Mary, Reading Reading STM/59/93
Here's a 1901 search for these girls with pob=Reading
1901 England Census Transcription Street:CROFTS Parish:WITNEY Town:WITNEY City: County:Oxfordshire Country:ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District:ST MARY M C WITNEY Municipal Ward: Parliamentary Borough:MID Registration District:WITNEY Registration Sub-District: Witney Enumeration District:10 Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:1396 Folio:5 Page:2
GEORGE A SMITH 1863 38 Witney, Oxfordshire HEAD M Blacksmith ELIZA SMITH 1864 37 Banbury, Oxfordshire WIFE M ANNIE SMITH 1884 17 Middleton Cheany, Northants DAUGHTER S Blanket Weaver GEORGINA SMITH 1892 9 South Leigh, Oxfordshire DAUGHTER DAISY SMITH 1894 7 South Leigh, Oxfordshire DAUGHTER KATE SMITH 1897 4 Witney, Oxfordshire DAUGHTER ELIZABETH SMITH 1901 0[8m] Witney, Oxfordshire DAUGHTER MARIA GASCOIGNE 1889 12 Middleton Cheany, Northants NIECE BEATRICE WALTERS 1899 2 Reading, Berks NIECE
1901 England Census Transcription Street:3 ST GEORGES TERRACE OXFORD ROAD Parish:READING ST MARY Town: City: County:Berkshire Country:ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District:ST GEORGE TILEHURST Municipal Ward:WEST Parliamentary Borough:SOUTHERN OR NEWBURY Registration District:READING Registration Sub-District: St Mary Enumeration District:18 Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:1146 Folio:65 Page:15
CHARLES WATERS 1858 43 Moulsford, Berks HEAD M Jobbing Gardener ALICE WATERS 1861 40 Beenham, Berks WIFE M ALBERT ERNEST WATERS 1887 14 Ufton, Berks SON S Biscuit Factory Packer CAROLINE ELLEN WATERS 1891 10 Ufton, Berks DAUGHTER GEORGE SIDNEY WATERS 1895 6 Ufton, Berks SON BEATRICE MAUD WATERS 1899 2 Reading, Berks DAUGHTER
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SylviaInCanada
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10 Mar 2013 03:57 |
Dorothy
Babies were registered within 6 weeks of birth.
Thyewere then often baptised after that .................. and could well be given one or two more forenames
Birth certificates are usually not altered in those cases.
OR she could well just have liked the name Lynda ............... and decided to use.
Many pe9ople have examples of that in their trees.
OH's maternal grandfather adopted a second forename sometime between signing his apprenticeship papers at the age of 15 and marrying at about age 24. After about 1907, one never sees his name without the 2 names ..................... it could have been a means of distinguishing himself from all the other people in Wales with the same name!!
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Mavis
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10 Mar 2013 09:36 |
Dorothy
Do you think this could be " Beatrice "
Lynda B Cogan died aged 62y in Birmingham Sep Q 1961 9c 372 born 1899 -- if yours would have been 63y in Dec so born 1898 --
National Probate Index
slight name change
Beatrice Lynda Cogan died 11th July 1961 wife of Leslie Cogan -Electrician of 72 Woodfield Road Birmingham £560 - 12sh
not found a marriage England / Wales
A death of a James Leslie Coggan [2 g's] 65y Birminham 1970 Dof B 15 Jan 1905
Birth of a Leslie Coggan Mar 1905 Ecclesall Bierlow [ next to Sheffield ] West Riding - could be in Sheffield 1911 - parents Arthur Richmond 36y and Lilian Alice 30y Coggan married under 1 y -- 2 children
A Leslie Cogan = Jessie Wells 1933
A Beatrice Waters = John Powell Dec 1919 Sheffield no saying if yours ??
Divorces cost money in them days so perhaps no one bothered
A copy of the death cert. and the Will might help could say if an artist
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Andrew
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10 Mar 2013 11:00 |
In 1939 both Sarah and Lynda Beatrice Waters are at 65 Tindal Street
Both at same address in 1935 with a Walter Scott
1927 Sarah on her own with James Lambourn.
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Mary
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10 Mar 2013 12:04 |
The 1901 census for beatrice with the Smith family are correct.
George Amos Smith married eliza Pinfold. Eliza Pinfold 1865 banbury oxford had sister sarah Pinfold 1867 banbury
Sarah Pinfold married William Gascoigne in Banbury 3a 1295 had Maria Gasciogne 1889.(on 1901 census) Sarah Gascoigne married J/A/S 1897 in Banbury 3a 1897 to William Waters.
Maybe Sarah 1901 St lawrence berkshire D36 >4 Reg district Reading. Sarah A waters a widow age 37 born Banbury cook/domestic
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Mary
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10 Mar 2013 19:51 |
Tindal Street and Woodford Road where Beatrice L Cogan was look as though they were quite near to each other. So maybe purchasing that death cert might prove fruitful.
In the Teliphne book there was a B L Cogan registered at that address from 1960-1970 say could that have been when James Leslie Cogan died.
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Dorothy
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10 Mar 2013 19:57 |
I was interested in the information that Sarah and Lynda Beatrice Waters were living at 65 Tindal Street in 1939 and both at the same address in 1935 with a Walter Scott. In 1944 on her mother's funeral card she is calling herself Lynda Beatrice Scott. Could this mean she married/changed her name to Scott between 1935 and 1944? Could Walter Scott be her partner? I can find no record that ties up! As it is said Sarah Waters is on her own with James Lambourn in 1927, is it possible Lynda Beatrice married someone else between 1911and 1927 and reverted back to her maiden name? Not sure how I can begin to solve this mystery.
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