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Hi
Could anybody who has access to FMP please like to check for me the following:
In 1901 I have a Jenkins family living at 6 Jersey Street - I have been trying to trace them back through other Census records but cannot find them.
1911,1891,1881,1871- FMP does show there is a No6 Jersey Street in Everton in all of these Census Records. Is it possible for someone to check if any Jenkins Lived in Jersey Street in these years, I would be very grateful.
Thanks
Carol

1911 Rawlings and Knowles listed at that address


Would be easier to say who you were looking for

Hi, sorry thought the name Jenkins would be enough
James c.1862
Elizabeth c.1862
James c.1883
Joseph c.1890
Margaret 1892

They are all on the 1901 Census but cannot find any of them before that and I do realise that they could have possibly moved around

Well I did check a few in 1901 that were in Everton but gave up after about 8 - 10

Thank you but they are there in 1901 at 6 Jersey Street

for reference -

1901

264 JENKINS, James Head Married M 39 1862 Carter General
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
264 JENKINS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 39 1862
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
264 JENKINS, James Son Single M 18 1883 Carter General
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
264 JENKINS, Joseph Son M 11 1890
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
264 JENKINS, Margaret Daughter F 9 1892
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3473 Folio:
117 Page:
42

Sub District:
North Everton Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Polycarp's

Municipal Borough:
Address:
6, Jersey Street, Everton County:
Lancashire

Hi Choccy that is the one I have and just hoping to find this family before the 1901 Census
Thanks

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

Name: James Jenkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 27

1891

239 JENKINS, James Head Married M 30 1861 Porter Carting
Liverpool VIEW
239 JENKINS, Elizabeth Wife Married F ?
Liverpool VIEW
239 JENKINS, James Son M 11 1880
Liverpool VIEW
239 JENKINS, Thomas Son M 7 1884
Liverpool VIEW
239 JENKINS, Joseph Son M 2 1889
Liverpool VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2959 Folio:
110 Page:
38

Sub District:
Kirkdale Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Marys

Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
53, Teulon Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

1881 England Census

Name: James Jenkins
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jenkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Lpool

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 House 33 Court Hornby St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carter

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3597
Folio: 103
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
James Jenkins 21 (Carter)
Elizabeth Jenkins 20
James Jenkins 2




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3597; Folio: 103; Page: 27; GSU roll: 1341861.

The one in Teulon Street and there is one in Ashfield cottages also in 1901, I have checked these out so really it is the ones in Jersey Street I could do to find earlier on. It is strange that in 1901 there are two families both with parents James and Elizabeth. Over the last 12 months or so people on here have tried to help but this is the first time I have asked for this specific family (Jersey St) to be searched

Hi to all
I would like your views on the following. Do any of you think that the following could be the same family even though one has a Margaret and the other has a Mary J ???

I have a family called Jenkins (James 1862, Elizabeth 1862, James 1883, Joseph 1890, and Margaret 1892) they appear on the 1901 Census at Jersey Street, Liverpool. The Census says all born there. I have tried for a couple of years to find them but cannot trace this family any earlier than 1901. There is also, in 1901, another family with a James 40, Elizabeth 39, James 20, Joseph 10 and Mary J 8, she was actually born 1893, they are living at Ashfield Cottages in Liverpool, again the Census says all born Liverpool.

I have now found the location of Jersey Street in Liverpool.
Sorry to bring this family up again but I am now desperate to find the ones in Jersey Street.
Regards
Carol

For info:
Mary J Jenkins
Age:8
Estimated birth year:abt 1893
Relation to Head:Daughter
Father:James Jenkins - Quay Carter
Mother:Elizabeth Jenkins
Birth Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish:St Martin in the Fields
Sub-registration district:St Martin

The Jersey St family:

1901 England Census
Margaret Jenkins
Age:9
Estimated birth year:abt 1892
Relation to Head:Daughter
Gender:Female
Father:James Jenkins
Mother:Elizabeth Jenkins
Birth Place:Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Everton
Ecclesiastical parish:St Polycarp
County/Island:Lancashire
Registration district:West Derby
Sub-registration district:North Everton


James Jenkins 39
Elizabeth Jenkins 39
James Jenkins 18
Joseph Jenkins 11
Margaret Jenkins 9

James Jenkins 40 - Carter (general is crossed out and ?arm written over it
Elizabeth Jenkins 39
James Jenkins 20
Joseph Jenkins 10
Mary J Jenkins

What makes you think they could be the same family - they are living in completely different areas.

I did not know if they could have done a moonlight flit as they say after filling in one of the census records. I am clutching at straws here as I can't find the Jersey St family before 1901. I am trying to find the son James (my grandfather) as all I have to go on is 1911 census, and his marriage and death certificates, cannot even find his father, who according to his marriage cert was also called James. I am now thinking he may not have been registered when born.

I suppose they could have done a moonlight flit but I think the way the census was done was for the enumerator to leave the forms to be filled in a few days before the census and then come back later to collect them and then to collate them onto the forms which we can see, so somebody would have had to have been in both places to return the forms. Or maybe they were in the middle of moving and filled in both forms and were living between the two places?

I can only find one family in previous censuses and nothing in the 1911, except for James jnr.

Thanks for your input, it is appreciated

Personally, I'm not sure about the moonlight flit theory because surely they would have given the same names and ages for the children etc? BUT - what if they filled in one and someone else filled another in on their behalf?

Apologies for posting again the 1901 census that have already been posted but am hoping that posting them next to each other in the same format might make it easier to play "spot the difference"

JENKINS, James Head Married M 40 1861 Quay Carter Liverpool, Lancashire
JENKINS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 39 1862 Liverpool, Lancashire
JENKINS, James Son Single M 20 1881 Quay Carter Liverpool, Lancashire
JENKINS, Joseph Son Single M 10 1891 Liverpool, Lancashire
JENKINS, Mary J Daughter Single F 8 1893 Liverpool, Lancashire

Piece: 3409 Folio: 27 Page: 45
Registration District: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool

Address: 104, Ashfield Cottages, Liverpool County: Lancashire
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JENKINS, James Head Married M 39 1862 Carter General Liverpool, Lancashire
JENKINS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 39 1862 Liverpool, Lancashire
JENKINS, James Son Single M 18 1883 Carter General Liverpool, Lancashire
JENKINS, Joseph Son M 11 1890 Liverpool, Lancashire
JENKINS, Margaret Daughter F 9 1892 Liverpool, Lancashire

Piece: 3473 Folio: 117 Page: 42
Registration District: West Derby
Civil Parish: Everton

Address: 6, Jersey Street, Everton County: Lancashire

Peculiar ......

EDIT: On the original image of EACH of those census the type of carter has been overwritten with "Carm" - I think that may be for census statistics to categorize workers, perhaps carman?

I've done a bit of searching around and apparently Ashfield Cottages were around the Hopwood Street/Silvester Street area - that is less than 3 miles from Jersey Street.

I am definitely leaning towards it being the same family with two different people completing the census return.

Having said that, I haven't checked births and marriages for the names to see if there were two James & Josephs born similar times and two James and Elizabeths marrying.

Carol, do you have your grandfather's birth certificate for his mother's maiden name? And does his marriage certificate have an address on it?

These are the only baptisms I can find:

Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Thomas Jenkins
Birth Date: 25 May 1883
Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1883
Parish: Liverpool, All Saints
Father's Name: James Jenkins - Carter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jenkins
Reference Number: 283 ALS/2/2

Address: 4c14 Sheridan Street
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Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Joseph Jenkins
Birth Date: 15 May 1889
Baptism Date: 15 May 1889
Parish: Bevington, St Alban
Father's Name: James Jenkins - Carter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jenkins
Reference Number: 283 ALB/2/4

Address: 2c ??? Bond Street
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Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: John Jenkins
Birth Date: 26 May 1897
Baptism Date: 2 Jun 1897
Parish: Bevington, St Alban
Father's Name: James Jenkins - Labourer
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jenkins
Reference Number: 283 ALB/2/5

Address: 104 Ashfield Cottages <<<<
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I have a suspicion that they only had the babies baptised that may have been sickly and perhaps not expected to survive.

Why do you think your grandfather's birth may not have been registered?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1882
Jenkins James W. Derby 8b 346