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hi I have been trying to trace my gggrandfather. his name is george henry olive. the only certain thing I have on him is his death in 1927. i have his death certificate but it doesnt give his date of birth, only his age. I traced this back to a birth in the right area in 1851 and sent off for the birth certificate; this give me a father of Henry Olive and a mother of Sarah Olive nee Frost living at 11 Arundell street, Islington. On the 1851 census there is a Henry and Sarah listed at this address with children Sarah and Henry. I cannot find any further trace on the census's before or after until George appears in 1891 with my ggrandmother (who he never married) and their children. I need to prove that this George Olive is my relative but how? any suggestions would be appreciated :-D Julia

The fact his second name is henry seems to point to this being the right family ie father was Henry, Was George born after the 1851 census was taken ?

so as to establish ages
1851

Name: Henry Olive
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Olive
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 229
Piece: 1502
Folio: 379
Page Number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Olive 30
Sarah Olive 30
Sarah Olive 3
Henry Olive 1
Robert Frost 26
Eliza Frost 24
Robert Frost 1 Mo

yes 16th June 1851

aged 74 when he died in 1927

Not seeing a birth for George Henry in 1853


What makes you think he is plain George born 1851 ?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about George Olive
Name: George Olive
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1851
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1851
Father's Name: Henry Olive>>>>>Labourer
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Olive
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: Arundell Grove

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Sarah Ann Olive
Name: Sarah Ann Olive
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1847
Baptism Date: 2 May 1847
Father's Name: Henry Olive>>>Labourer
Mother's Name: Sarah Olive
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: Hindle St

thats the census record I found but they all seem to disappear until i pick up George in 1891 census with my ggrandmother :-)

So is this him in 1891?

OLIVE, George Head Married M 39 1852 Boot Finisher
Shoreditch
London VIEW
OLIVE, Celia Wife Married F 37 1854 Tie Maker
Shoreditch
London VIEW
OLIVE, Hannah Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Shoreditch
London VIEW
OLIVE, Sarah Daughter F 3 1888
Shoreditch
London VIEW
OLIVE, Mary Ann Daughter F 2 1889
Shoreditch
London VIEW
OLIVE, George Son M 1 1890
Shoreditch
London VIEW

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Piece:
247 Folio:
83 Page:
24 Registration District:
Shoreditch

Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
15, Craven Street, Shoreditch County:
London

In which case, this is likely him in 1881:

OLIVE, Geo Head Married M 29 1852 Boot Finisher
Islington
Middlesex VIEW
OLIVE, Eliza Wife Married F 24 1857
Hackney
Middlesex VIEW
MEREDITH, Elizabeth Visitor Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Shoreditch
Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
402 Folio:
70 Page:
26 Registration District:
Shoreditch

Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Parker St, Shoreditch County:
London, Middlesex

Not gone any further yet.

Name: Sarah Ann Olive
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1847
Baptism Date: 2 May 1847
Father's Name: Henry Olive
Mother's Name: Sarah Olive
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Henry Olive
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1849
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1849
Father's Name: Henry Olive
Mother's Name: Sarah Olive
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: George Olive
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1851
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1851
Father's Name: Henry Olive
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Olive
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Kate Olive
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1853
Baptism Date: 31 Jul 1853
Father's Name: Henry Olive
Mother's Name: Sarah Olive
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers


all address Arundil Grove

Mike, I have looked at other George Olive's born around that time and they either died or have traced them on further census's living with other people. this is the only one that any way near matches. As they were illiterate I thought a few years either way was expected. I dont know what else to look at :-(

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about George Olive
Name: George Olive
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1851
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 285

1901?

OLIVE, George Head Married M 48 1853 Boot Finisher
Hackney
London VIEW
OLIVE, Cecila Wife Married F 46 1855 Tie Maker
St Lukes
London VIEW
OLIVE, Sarah Daughter Single F 13 1888
Hoxton
London VIEW
OLIVE, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 11 1890
Hoxton
London VIEW
OLIVE, George Son Single M 9 1892
Hoxton
London VIEW
OLIVE, Albert Son Single M 8 1893
Hoxton
London VIEW
OLIVE, Harry Son Single M 5 1896
Hoxton
London VIEW
OLIVE, Caroline J Daughter Single F 1 1900
Hoxton
London VIEW
FORDHAM, Rosina Boarder Single F 2 1899
Hoxton
London VIEW

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Piece:
277 Folio:
91 Page:
47 Registration District:
Shoreditch

Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
60, Ely Place, Shoreditch County:
London

And 1911:

OLIVE, George Head Married
25 years M 60 1851 Boot Repairer Haggerston VIEW
OLIVE, Cecilla Wife Married
25 years F 59 1852 Golden Lane VIEW
OLIVE, Sarah Daughter Married
1 years F 23 1888 Tent Stitching London Hoxton VIEW
OLIVE, George Son Single M 20 1891 Chair Frame Maker London Hoxton VIEW
OLIVE, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 21 1890 Tent Stitching London Hoxton VIEW
OLIVE, Albert Son Single M 18 1893 Fish Fryer London Hoxton VIEW
OLIVE, Harry Son Single M 15 1896 Chair Frame Maker London Hoxton VIEW
OLIVE, Caroline Daughter F 12 1899 School London Hoxton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1332 Reference:
RG14PN1332 RG78PN46 RD16 SD1 ED11 SN448

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
Shoreditch South Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Shoreditch

Address:
23 Essex St Hoxton County:
London

Married 25 years

What was your grandmother Celia's maiden name.?



Daughter Sarah is listed as married but with surname Olive ?

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Name: Sarah Olive
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1866
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 661

spouse Anthony Baldwin or John Castle

shirley, this looks like the family I am trying to link to my gggrandfather and madmeg, yes that is them on the 1891 census, he was a bit of a lad as he never married. so unsure if the 1881 census is the right one but occupation is right

She married Anthony Baldwin
1871
ame: Antoney Balwin
[Anthony Baldwin]
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Balwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch
Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Haggerstone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston West
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 467
Folio: 35
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Antoney Balwin 25
Sarah Balwin 23
Augustus Balwin 2
Jane E Barnett 25
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Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 467; Folio: 35; Page: 12; GSU roll: 823

Trouble is he may not have been born Olive at all ...... just as daughter Hannah wasn't

its a bit of a strange family, celia - my gggrandmother was married to someone else and had a few children with her husband then got together with George in the 1880's my ggrandmother Sarah was the first child they had together, the problem is going backwards not forwards, i have all the information from 1891 onwards but not before. there was a rumour that George was from a travelling family but i have no record of this and nothing listed on the census's he is on saying anything about this. it is like he doesnt exist before 1887 when my ggranmother was born.

Name: Anthony Baldwin
Age: full age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Sarah Oliver minor
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Oct 1866
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Anthony Baldwin
Spouse Father Name: Henry Oliver contractor
Register Type: Parish Register


address South Hackney


so seems to be a sister of George,if its the right family

Mike, Hannah was a child from previous marriage -