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WOW!!! :-D :-D :-D

What were the chances of THAT happening?

Jude-I dare you to explain that entire story on a new thread. ;-) :-D :-D :-D :-D

Just in case the related thread gets lost at sea or marries another thread:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1311489?page=0


Mo
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Unintentional help noted :-D

Gale, William Henry, 55, 5th February 1917, Mercantile Marine, S.S. "Azul", Donkeyman, husband of Elizabeth Ann Gale (nee Francis), of Bishopsgate Parade, Cardiff Rd., Newport, Mon., TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

http://www.newportsdead.shaunmcguire.co.uk/G.htm

(above from google, looks to relate)

Chris :)

What a coincidence Jude! That was sheer chance what Choccy posted on your other unrelated thread.

Just out of interest....on another thread Choccy posted a Western Mail extract from March 1918

And whilst reading it I came across the following....

THE SEAMAN'S WIDOW

In the workmen's compensation case at Newport of Mrs Elizabeth Ann Gale, widow, against the owners of the steamship "Azul", which had been lost at sea, the defence was that there was no dependency. Applicant denied, in answer to Mr Moxon, who appeared for the owners, that she left her husband, lived in turn with two other men and had illegitimate children. She understood her husband had gone to live with another woman and had "married" her, but she (applicant) promised not to take proceedings as long as he gave her money. His Honour Judge Hill Kelly decided that dependency had not been established and made an award in favour of the respondents - the owners of the vessel.

Oh what a lot of time this would have saved us all lol :-)

Just a quick "thank you"....what started out as an innocent question has been found to be a right can of worms! I cannot believe the amount of bigamists I have uncovered in my family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Myra Coleman seems to have been Maria West who married Edward Coleman....and when she married William Henry in 1900 Edward was alive and kicking in Northants.......

Fortunately none of them are my direct line - phew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you all once again :-)

Jude

Ah Chris - sounds good. Myra and William Henry were living at 6 DEAN Street Newport in 1911 :-)

(tuts here!, just get blue square, image doesn't load!, all ok friday)

Chris :)

They have been Chris, wasn't able to find any mention of his death in them.

Maritime BMD details (Find My Past)
Name:GALE, Wm
Date of death:6 February 1917
Age:
Place of death:At Sea
Place of birth:
Belonging to service:Crew
Ship's name:Azul
Series:BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box:0069
Page:

(age 53, Last Place of Abode, 6, Been? Street, Newport)

Chris :)

(MC, are the Newpapers FMP working for you?)

omg what a tangled web!

Thanks folks!

Jude

Children baptised as Case:

Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record

Forenames: Ada
Surname: Case
Baptism Year: 1891
Baptism Month: Nov
Baptism Day: 17

Place: Newport, St Woolos
County: Monmouthshire

Fathers Forenames: George Henry - labourer
Mothers Forenames: Elizabeth Ann

Page: 139
Record source: Monmouthshire Baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Address was 44 Henry Street, Marshes Road.

Baptised same day were Emily Maude; James Francis & Florence Eva.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about James Case Gale Name: James Case Gale
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1885
Registration District: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 196


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Emily Maud C Gale Name: Emily Maud C Gale
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1887
Registration District: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 183


..England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ada Minnie Gale Name: Ada Minnie Gale
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1889
Registration District: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 188


..England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Florence Eva C Gale Name: Florence Eva C Gale
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Registration District: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 240

By 1911, Elizabeth has moved on to 'husband' number 3, who she married (bigamously?) in 1905...


1911 Wales Census
Name: Elizabeth Goulding
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 24 Hill St
Marital status: Married
Registration District: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 134
Piece: 31971
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Goulding 40
Elizabeth Goulding 48
Carlione Case 12




Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
GALE Elizabeth Ann Newport, M. 11a 451
GOULDING Charles Newport, M. 11a 451
Hennah John Henry Newport M 11a
NOKES Louisa Newport, M. 11a 451

According to the Memorial Register the address for Elizabeth Ann Gale nee Francis was Bishopsgate Parade, Cardiff Road, Newport. Certainly can't see her in Bishopsgate in 1911.

Elizabeth was still very much alive in 1901...so if he did marry Myra in 1900, it looks like he was a bigamist!

1901 Wales Census
Name: Elizabeth A Case
Age in 1901: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry G Case
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: Crindau All Saints
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration District: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 57
Piece: 4960
Folio: 128
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry G Case 66
Elizabeth A Case 40
Emily Maud Case 14
Ada Minnie Case 12
Francis J Case 7
Gwendoline R Case 5
Caroline C Case 2

Francis, Gwendoline and Caroline were all registered as Case.

Maybe William & Elizabeth split and both went to live with different partners. William with Myra And Elizabeth with Henry G Case.

1891 Wales Census
Name: Elizabeth Case
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry G Case
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration District: Newport
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4371
Folio: 43
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry G Case 50
Elizabeth Case 28
Samuel Case 16
Henry Case 12
James Case 6
Maud Case 3
Ada Case 2
Florence Case 9 Weeks
Mary Francis 23

James, Maud (Emily Maud), Ada and Florence were all registered under the surname Gale, with Case as a middle name.

Unless of course the William I find in 1891 and 1911 with Myra is not him.....but he fits...and if it's not him then where is the William that married Elizabeth Ann. I guess he could be at sea all the time...but where is she?

Jude

and in 1871 James Gale was a ship's carpenter...so it HAS to be my William Henry :-S

And 1881 census the family including William were living at 29 CANNON Street

MC....James and Rebecca were William's parents. They died in 1910 and 1897 respectively.

In 1881, William Henry is Single.

In 1891 he is living with Myra and states married though I cannot find a marriage until 1900. In 1901 he is at sea and in 1911 he is with Myra in Dean Street Newport.

So I found this death at sea as a result of UBoat action. The citation says son of late Mr and Mrs James Gale which fits with it being my William Henry.

But then it says husband of (suggests she is still alive) Elizabeth Ann Gale (nee Francis) - which is obviously that 1881 marriage. But he has been with Myra since 1891 (at least) and married to her since 1900. So was he a bigamist?

Jude