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Where is my Grandfather, Henry Haynes (HE HAS NO OTHER NAMES)
in the 1911 census. Born Highbury, Islington London in 1882/84 to William Haynes 1847 and Elizabeth Williams 1849. He had a Brother William 1874 and a Sister Emily 1880.
We know he married Arabella Walker c 1913 and described then as a Batchelor so he is not married in the 1911 census.
Thank you for any help but remember not married 1911 so none of those with wife or children and almost certainly in London and probably Islington, Holloway, Highbury. Thank you, Roger :-S

For reference:

MarriageFinder: Henry Haynes married Arabella Walker
Name: HAYNES, Henry
Registration District: Islington
County: London
Year of Registration: 1916
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Walker
Volume No: 1B
Page No: 765
Name: WALKER, Arabella
Registration District: Islington
County: London
Year of Registration: 1916
Month of Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Volume No: 1B
Page No: 765

Hi Mary,
Thank you. I have that information.
It is the 1911 Census information that intrigues me.
My Grandfather was in mental homes for many years after the marriage.
There is some specific information the 1911 census would help me with.
Kind regards,
Roger

I can't see him in 1911 at all Roger

If he was in institutions, they were often only recorded on the census by initial, which makes it rather more difficult!
But that would only apply to you if he was in an institution before the marriage.

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: HAYNES, Henry
Address: 210 Blackstock Road Highbury N


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ELLIOTT, Frederick Alfred Head Married M 43 1868 Greengrocer London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Margaret Wife Married
16 years F 42 1869 Domestic Worker London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Alfred Joseph Son Single M 15 1896 Brass Finisher's Assistant London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Dorothy Margaret Daughter F 13 1898 School London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Lelie William Son M 9 1902 School London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Arthur Edwin Son M 6 1905 School London Islington VIEW
>>>HAYNES, Henry Boarder Single M 26 1885 Greengrocer Assistant Tottenham Middlesex VIEW


You must have the marriage cert if you know he was a batchelor? did it give an occupation?

Roger,
The reason MaryMc posted the marriage details is "for reference" for the helpers.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: HAYNES, William
Address: 209, Blackstock Road, Islington


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HAYNES, William Head Married M 55 1846 Coach Porter
Clerkenwell
London VIEW
HAYNES, Sarah Wife Married F 55 1846
Canterbury Place Highbury VIEW
HAYNES, John W Son Single M 26 1875 Painter House
Highbury
London VIEW
HAYNES, Harry Son Single M 17 1884 Errand Boy
Wood Green
London VIEW

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1891 census - household transcription
Person: HAYNES, William
Address: 36, Myrtle Street, Islington
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HAYNES, William Head Married M 44 1847 Painter
Islington
London VIEW
HAYNES, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1847
Holloway
London VIEW
WILKINSON, John Stepson Single M 17 1874
Highbury
London VIEW
WILKINSON, Eliza Stepdaughter Single F 24 1867
Highbury
London VIEW
WILKINSON, Mary Stepdaughter Married F 22 1869
Highbury
London VIEW
WILKINSON, Sarah Stepdaughter Single F 20 1871
Highbury
London VIEW
WILKINSON, Emma Stepdaughter Single F 15 1876
Highbury
London VIEW
HAYNES, William Son Single M 17 1874
Highbury
London VIEW
HAYNES, Emily Daughter F 11 1880
Highbury
London VIEW
HAYNES, Henry Son M 7 1884
Highbury
London VIEW

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Name: William Haynes
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Spouse Name: Sarah Caroline Wilkinson
Spouse Age: 39
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Jun 1886
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Haynes
Spouse Father Name: John Pickett
Register Type: Parish Register

of course, one assumes he told the truth on the marriage certificate


and that he was not committing bigamy :-)




Could he possibly have used the name Harry at times??


Henry and Harry are often used interchangeably.




sylvia

1881 census - household transcription
Person: HAYNES, William
Address: 3, George Place, Hackney


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HAYNES, William Head Married M 34 1847 Labourer Bricklayer
Clerkenwell
Middlesex VIEW
HAYNES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 33 1848
Clerkenwell
Middlesex VIEW
HAYNES, William Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
St Lukes
Middlesex VIEW
HAYNES, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Finsbury Park
Middlesex VIEW
HAYNES, Emily Daughter Single F 2 1879
Finsbury Park
Middlesex VIEW

Hi All,
Thank youfor your help.
The 1891 census with wife Sarah and all the wilkonson step children is the CORRECT record and the correct Henry as son.
The Myrtle Street address is the correct one.
As far as I am aware he was never known as Harry and I had followed that line several years ago incorrectly at first.
I have no reason to belive he was in any institution in 1911.
He was I believe from records rejected for the army in 1916 as medically unfit.
Kind regards,
Roger :-)

not seeing him in 1911, but this looks like his Army record


British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: Henry Haynes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Age at enlistment: 32
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 5559
Regiment Name: 3/4th London Regiment
Number of images: 3


address on joining - 12 Herrick Road, Highbury
sister - Emily Roberts, 47 Tilson Road, Scotland Green, Tottenham

discharged as unfit due to epilepsy

Occupation - Greengrocer

the only one I can see is the same one Jax posted at 04.37


1911

ELLIOTT, Frederick Alfred Head Married M 43 1868 Greengrocer London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Margaret Wife Married
16 years F 42 1869 Domestic Worker London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Alfred Joseph Son Single M 15 1896 Brass Finisher's Assistant London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Dorothy Margaret Daughter F 13 1898 School London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Lelie William Son M 9 1902 School London Islington VIEW
ELLIOTT, Arthur Edwin Son M 6 1905 School London Islington VIEW
>>>>>HAYNES, Henry Boarder Single M 26 1885 Greengrocer Assistant Tottenham Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
990 Reference:
RG14PN990 RG78PN33 RD10 SD7 ED21 SN265

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Highbury Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Islington

Address:
210 Blackstock Road Highbury N County:
London

Hi Roger,

You say you followed the Harry Haynes line several years ago, but it turned out to be wrong. Can you remember where you found him? I can't find the Haynes family that Jax has posted for the 1901 census, anywhere in 1891 - except for the one posted, living with the Wilkinson family.

Harry Haynes in Blackstock Road in 1901, must surely be the same person as Henry Haynes in Blackstock Road in 1911.

Wood Green is part of Tottenham.

The occupation in 1911 matches that on the Army record............that would seem to be fairly conclusive

The info posted for 1911 is all that is available..........the column recording more personal details is inaccessible

What was his declared occupation on his marriage cert?

I do not think Roger has the marriage certificate so cannot comment on occupation or Father's name. Roger stated the marriage was c1913, whilst MaryMc found what looks like it in 1916. The army record in 1916 records his sister not any wife. I think Roger needs to buy the marriage certificate to help in the search for confirmation.

If Roger does not have the marriage cert how does he know he was a batchelor when he married in 1913 or what his fathers name was?

I am not really sure what you are still looking for I gave you the 1911 but you seem to have dismissed that for some reason, had you mentioned the Army it would of helped

jax

Hi All,
Thank you all. Sorry about the delay but we live in New Zealand so the time difference means we have been asleep.
I think you ARE correct about the 1911 Harry in Blackstock Road as that is all in the same area as well (I know the area well).
Death Certificate from 1955 shows he was "formerly a Greencrocer's assistant" So it all ties in.
I have also managed to get the marriage certificate from a relative yesterday evening and in 1916 he is shown as living at 12, Herrick Road with Arabella living at 43, Avenell Avenue which is what is shown on the Army Record (although spelt wrongly).
Thanks a million for all thoughts and suggestions it helps to clarify the mind and thoughts.
Now getting in touch with the London Records Office re the records of The Colney Hatch Lunatic Assylum and Frien Barnet Maental Hospital.
Roger :-)

An Update;
Brilliant News. After many many years of trying to get Grandad's medical records (He was in a mental institution from 1928 until his death) I obtained them and they included a photograph of him. I had never before seen him or a photograph.
I had been told many many times you will not get any records but I would not be put off and pursued the medical records.
Moral of this story is sheer persistence often pays off. Told medical records are destroyed after 7 years well these were found by the authorities some 60 years after his death. :-)