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23 May 2014 03:30 |
An Update; Brilliant News. After many many years of trying to get Grandad's medical records (He was in a mental institution from 1928 until his death) I obtained them and they included a photograph of him. I had never before seen him or a photograph. I had been told many many times you will not get any records but I would not be put off and pursued the medical records. Moral of this story is sheer persistence often pays off. Told medical records are destroyed after 7 years well these were found by the authorities some 60 years after his death. :-)
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Roger
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12 Nov 2011 18:43 |
Hi All, Thank you all. Sorry about the delay but we live in New Zealand so the time difference means we have been asleep. I think you ARE correct about the 1911 Harry in Blackstock Road as that is all in the same area as well (I know the area well). Death Certificate from 1955 shows he was "formerly a Greencrocer's assistant" So it all ties in. I have also managed to get the marriage certificate from a relative yesterday evening and in 1916 he is shown as living at 12, Herrick Road with Arabella living at 43, Avenell Avenue which is what is shown on the Army Record (although spelt wrongly). Thanks a million for all thoughts and suggestions it helps to clarify the mind and thoughts. Now getting in touch with the London Records Office re the records of The Colney Hatch Lunatic Assylum and Frien Barnet Maental Hospital. Roger :-)
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jax
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12 Nov 2011 14:00 |
If Roger does not have the marriage cert how does he know he was a batchelor when he married in 1913 or what his fathers name was?
I am not really sure what you are still looking for I gave you the 1911 but you seem to have dismissed that for some reason, had you mentioned the Army it would of helped
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12 Nov 2011 12:15 |
I do not think Roger has the marriage certificate so cannot comment on occupation or Father's name. Roger stated the marriage was c1913, whilst MaryMc found what looks like it in 1916. The army record in 1916 records his sister not any wife. I think Roger needs to buy the marriage certificate to help in the search for confirmation.
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Flick
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12 Nov 2011 12:04 |
The occupation in 1911 matches that on the Army record............that would seem to be fairly conclusive
The info posted for 1911 is all that is available..........the column recording more personal details is inaccessible
What was his declared occupation on his marriage cert?
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ChristinaS
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12 Nov 2011 10:28 |
Hi Roger,
You say you followed the Harry Haynes line several years ago, but it turned out to be wrong. Can you remember where you found him? I can't find the Haynes family that Jax has posted for the 1901 census, anywhere in 1891 - except for the one posted, living with the Wilkinson family.
Harry Haynes in Blackstock Road in 1901, must surely be the same person as Henry Haynes in Blackstock Road in 1911.
Wood Green is part of Tottenham.
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12 Nov 2011 08:34 |
the only one I can see is the same one Jax posted at 04.37
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ELLIOTT, Frederick Alfred Head Married M 43 1868 Greengrocer London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Margaret Wife Married 16 years F 42 1869 Domestic Worker London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Alfred Joseph Son Single M 15 1896 Brass Finisher's Assistant London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Dorothy Margaret Daughter F 13 1898 School London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Lelie William Son M 9 1902 School London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Arthur Edwin Son M 6 1905 School London Islington VIEW >>>>>HAYNES, Henry Boarder Single M 26 1885 Greengrocer Assistant Tottenham Middlesex VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 990 Reference: RG14PN990 RG78PN33 RD10 SD7 ED21 SN265 Registration District: Islington Sub District: Highbury Enumeration District: 21 Parish: Islington Address: 210 Blackstock Road Highbury N County: London
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12 Nov 2011 08:06 |
not seeing him in 1911, but this looks like his Army record
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Henry Haynes Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Age at enlistment: 32 Document Year: 1916 Regimental Number: 5559 Regiment Name: 3/4th London Regiment Number of images: 3 address on joining - 12 Herrick Road, Highbury sister - Emily Roberts, 47 Tilson Road, Scotland Green, Tottenham
discharged as unfit due to epilepsy
Occupation - Greengrocer
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Roger
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12 Nov 2011 06:29 |
Hi All, Thank youfor your help. The 1891 census with wife Sarah and all the wilkonson step children is the CORRECT record and the correct Henry as son. The Myrtle Street address is the correct one. As far as I am aware he was never known as Harry and I had followed that line several years ago incorrectly at first. I have no reason to belive he was in any institution in 1911. He was I believe from records rejected for the army in 1916 as medically unfit. Kind regards, Roger :-)
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12 Nov 2011 05:27 |
1881 census - household transcription Person: HAYNES, William Address: 3, George Place, Hackney
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAYNES, William Head Married M 34 1847 Labourer Bricklayer Clerkenwell Middlesex VIEW HAYNES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 33 1848 Clerkenwell Middlesex VIEW HAYNES, William Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar St Lukes Middlesex VIEW HAYNES, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Finsbury Park Middlesex VIEW HAYNES, Emily Daughter Single F 2 1879 Finsbury Park Middlesex VIEW
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SylviaInCanada
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12 Nov 2011 05:19 |
of course, one assumes he told the truth on the marriage certificate
and that he was not committing bigamy :-)
Could he possibly have used the name Harry at times??
Henry and Harry are often used interchangeably.
sylvia
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12 Nov 2011 05:03 |
Name: William Haynes Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Spouse Name: Sarah Caroline Wilkinson Spouse Age: 39 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 14 Jun 1886 Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Thomas Haynes Spouse Father Name: John Pickett Register Type: Parish Register
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jax
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12 Nov 2011 04:57 |
1901 census - household transcription Person: HAYNES, William Address: 209, Blackstock Road, Islington
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAYNES, William Head Married M 55 1846 Coach Porter Clerkenwell London VIEW HAYNES, Sarah Wife Married F 55 1846 Canterbury Place Highbury VIEW HAYNES, John W Son Single M 26 1875 Painter House Highbury London VIEW HAYNES, Harry Son Single M 17 1884 Errand Boy Wood Green London VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1891 census - household transcription Person: HAYNES, William Address: 36, Myrtle Street, Islington -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAYNES, William Head Married M 44 1847 Painter Islington London VIEW HAYNES, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1847 Holloway London VIEW WILKINSON, John Stepson Single M 17 1874 Highbury London VIEW WILKINSON, Eliza Stepdaughter Single F 24 1867 Highbury London VIEW WILKINSON, Mary Stepdaughter Married F 22 1869 Highbury London VIEW WILKINSON, Sarah Stepdaughter Single F 20 1871 Highbury London VIEW WILKINSON, Emma Stepdaughter Single F 15 1876 Highbury London VIEW HAYNES, William Son Single M 17 1874 Highbury London VIEW HAYNES, Emily Daughter F 11 1880 Highbury London VIEW HAYNES, Henry Son M 7 1884 Highbury London VIEW
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Lynski
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12 Nov 2011 04:47 |
Roger, The reason MaryMc posted the marriage details is "for reference" for the helpers.
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12 Nov 2011 04:37 |
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1911 census - household transcription Person: HAYNES, Henry Address: 210 Blackstock Road Highbury N
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ELLIOTT, Frederick Alfred Head Married M 43 1868 Greengrocer London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Margaret Wife Married 16 years F 42 1869 Domestic Worker London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Alfred Joseph Son Single M 15 1896 Brass Finisher's Assistant London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Dorothy Margaret Daughter F 13 1898 School London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Lelie William Son M 9 1902 School London Islington VIEW ELLIOTT, Arthur Edwin Son M 6 1905 School London Islington VIEW >>>HAYNES, Henry Boarder Single M 26 1885 Greengrocer Assistant Tottenham Middlesex VIEW
You must have the marriage cert if you know he was a batchelor? did it give an occupation?
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MaryMc
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12 Nov 2011 04:20 |
If he was in institutions, they were often only recorded on the census by initial, which makes it rather more difficult! But that would only apply to you if he was in an institution before the marriage.
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MaryMc
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12 Nov 2011 04:18 |
I can't see him in 1911 at all Roger
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Roger
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12 Nov 2011 04:17 |
Hi Mary, Thank you. I have that information. It is the 1911 Census information that intrigues me. My Grandfather was in mental homes for many years after the marriage. There is some specific information the 1911 census would help me with. Kind regards, Roger
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MaryMc
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12 Nov 2011 04:07 |
For reference:
MarriageFinder: Henry Haynes married Arabella Walker Name: HAYNES, Henry Registration District: Islington County: London Year of Registration: 1916 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Walker Volume No: 1B Page No: 765 Name: WALKER, Arabella Registration District: Islington County: London Year of Registration: 1916 Month of Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Volume No: 1B Page No: 765
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Roger
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12 Nov 2011 03:28 |
Where is my Grandfather, Henry Haynes (HE HAS NO OTHER NAMES) in the 1911 census. Born Highbury, Islington London in 1882/84 to William Haynes 1847 and Elizabeth Williams 1849. He had a Brother William 1874 and a Sister Emily 1880. We know he married Arabella Walker c 1913 and described then as a Batchelor so he is not married in the 1911 census. Thank you for any help but remember not married 1911 so none of those with wife or children and almost certainly in London and probably Islington, Holloway, Highbury. Thank you, Roger :-S
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