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Hi

Is there anyone researching the Hoare family from Aston.

Would love to here from you as there are a few Hoare familys within Aston but unable to find a link between the name .

Regards
Tracey

Tracey it is best to give the details of the people you are looking for

your post will soon sink back into the archives and no one who might recognize it will see it ... unless maybe they find it using google for example

for that to happen it is best if you have full names and dates in your post

also be sure to put the family in your tree here at genesreunited

and to search trees ( the button up in the top row ) for others with the same names

have a look at the 'how to use' post at the top of this board and it will help ... then you can just add a post to this thread ( the 'add reply' box down at the bottom ) with more details

it is unlikely that any related person will reply but if you have specific questions other members may be able to help ... just browse a few other threads here to get a feeling

I don't think my Hoare family way back in my tree is connected at all with Aston unfortunately ! :-D

Hi

Thanks for your reply my great grandfather was Arthur Hoare 1900.

His father was Thomas Hoare 1877 married to Mary Ann Beesley .

They were both from birmingham.

Thomas's father was also called Thomas 1856 he married an Eliza?.

This Thomas was from Cornwall but unable to find anything else. I know through family that there is an Irish link but this hasn't yet been established.

Hope this makes sense lol.

:-)

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Thomas Hoare --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 1876 North Hill, Cornwall, England

Parents:
Father: Thomas Hoare
Mother: Emma



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Household:1881

Joseph DOWRING Head M Male 53 St Stephens Lanson, Cornwall, England Farmer 32 Acres Emply 1 Man
Mary DOWRING Wife M Female 50 St Stephens Saltash, Cornwall, England Farmers Wife
Elizabeth DOWRING Daur U Female 23 St Stephens Saltash, Cornwall, England Farmers Daur
>>>>>>> Thomas HOARE Nephew M Male 35 St Stephens Saltash, Cornwall, England Employed On The Farm
Emma HOARE Niece M Female 26 Northill, Cornwall, England Wife
>>>>>>> Thomas HOARE Nephew U Male 5 Northill, Cornwall, England Son
Ethel HOARE Niece U Female 6 w St Stephens, Cornwall, England Daur
William ROSEVEAR Serv U Male 15 St Stephens, Cornwall, England Farm Serv
Jane SYMONS Serv U Female 15 Launceston, Cornwall, England Generl Serv Domestic


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Dwelling Broadmoor West Farm
Census Place St Stephens By Saltash, Cornwall, England

oh my goodness Cornwall there is a chance our Hoares are related after all !

North hill and St Stephens by Saltash ... !!

unfortunately I do not know enough about my Hoares ( who are from at least three generations before Thomas abt 1876 ) to be able to tell .........

one thing to remember is that the name in Cornwall was spelt several ways ... Hore and Hoar too


but those 1881 Cornwall Hoares ... may not be the right ones

where is the 1901 Thomas with mother Eliza, in 1881 and 1891 ??

this is the Cornwall one in 1891

Name: Thomas Hoare
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: St. Stephens, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Stephen

and here he is in 1901 so unfortunately he is not the man we are after

Name: Thomas Hoar
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Hoar
Mother's Name: Emma Hoar
Gender: Male
Where born: St Stephens, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Saltash St Stephen


in 1901 mother Eliza says she is married

there was no Thomas Hoare born in Aston or Birmingham 1875-1878

do we think perhaps mother Eliza was not married ?

is the information about Thomas's father being Thomas taken from his marriage certificate ?

if that is the case ... it was not uncommon for children of unmarried parents to name a fictitious father ... in some cases it was their maternal grandfather

Hi thanks for your replys

I have certifucates for arthur and his wife from my nan. His fathers army records also confirm the details i have from family .I know selina (Lena) had a market stall in Birmingham.

Have researched parish records, find my past , ancestry, bmd, free reg cornish records etc. I have eliza and selina (lena)also living with son thomas at one point.
:-)

and can you tell us where the info that his father was Thomas from Cornwall comes from please ?

we understand you have researched but we don't know what you have found and where you found it :-)

it doesn't help others to help, you see, just to know that you have something ... we have to know what it is !

your Thomas simply does not seem to have existence before his marriage ... have you found traces ? likewise there is no trace of Selina in 1891, that I can see

if you have his marriage certificate what occupation does it give for his father Thomas ?

Hi

Details for thomas living with Eliza again by son thomas in richard street. He may have been working away in the 1901 census and was working as a gas maker. Daughter selina was still living with them in 1911.

Tracey if you could answer the questions it would be interesting

where are they before Selina's birth in 1887 ?
does her birth certificate name Thomas Hoare as father ?
do you have Thomas's marriage certificate to Beesley ?
if so what does it say about his father ?
have you found Thomas's birth and do you have the certificate ?

when you say Thomas Sr 'may have been working away' in 1901 and you say he was working as a gas maker ( what is that ? ) where is that information from ? can you tell us where Thomas Sr was in any census at all ?

details for thomas regarding birth is on 1911 cenus stating cornwall think i have it on something else stating bodenham.

okay well sorry you just aren't giving us enough information for anyone to help

if Thomas Sr is on the 1911 then you know where, you know what his year of birth was ... we don't so we have no way to help search for him so there we go

using 'richard' as place of residence and 'cornwall' as place of birth

is this him ?

HOARE THOMAS 1855 56 Aston Warwickshire

is 'Cornwall' all it says for place of birth ? I do not subscribe to see details


Bodenham is in Herefordshire

I tried the search using 'bodmin' which is in Cornwall as the place of birth but that was not it


I suggest that you find the information you have and then come back with it so you can say what it is and where it came from rather than 'I think I have', seriously, we are all happy to help, but this does not work


British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Thomas Hoare
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age at enlistment: 40
Residence: 72 Richard St, Birmingham
Document Year: 1917
Regimental Number: 187033
Regiment Name: Depot
Number of images: 33

wife and children are listed on page 2, I don't imagine it has information about parents

To Mary Ann Beesley 6d 479 St marys aston road birmingham. haven't yet ordered certificate. As mother living with son thomas and then showing her again with the correct familys children in 1911.

There is no records anywere before 1901 for Thomas 1877 and thomas 1876 .

Next step is ordering the certificate. That is why i posted on here to see if there was a link between the other hoare familys that were living in aston at that time.

Regards
Tracey

Sorry if i am not being very clear with my post.


On the 1911 census it states 72 Richard Street Aston

HOARE, Thomas Head Married M 34 1877 Bricklayer Labourer

Warwickshire Bimingham HOARE, Mary Ann Wife Married 12 years F 34

1877 None Bimingham HOARE, Arther Son M 11 1900 School Bimingham

HOARE, Ada Daughter F 10 1901 School


1911
8 Court 5 Ho Richard St B'ham
HOARE, Thomas Head Married M 56 1855 Gas Maker Cornwall

Lancashire HOARE, Eliza Wife Married 37 years F 55 1856 Nail Works

Warwickshire Birmingham HOARE, Selina Daughter Single F 23 1888

Button Gilder Aston JOLLY, Ada Adopted

just because you never know what might tie in, here is the last bit

JOLLY ADA 1903 8

Births Sep 1902
Jolly Ada Aston 6d 344


This one looks promising in 1871 ... has moved from Cornwall to nearer Birmingham

Name: Thomas Hoar
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Hoar
Mother's Name: Fany Hoar
Gender: Male
Where born: Liscard, Cornwall, England [ it is Liskeard ]

Civil parish: Bilston
Town: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Registration district: Wolverhampton

Thomas Hoar 46 journeyman sawyer born 'Liscard'
Fany Hoar 37 --- born Birmingham
Thomas Hoar 17 coal miner
Alfred Hoar 15 born Birmingham
Mary A Hoar 11 born Bilston
Soloman Hoar 9 "
Esther Hoar 4 "
Elizabeth Hoar 3 "
Henry Hoar 2 Months "


I think I will place my money on this Thomas Sr :-)


Births Sep 1853
Hoare Thomas Liskeard 5c 76

Hi all

Thank you for all your help. Sorry i haven't been that great at posting info.

I really do think you might be onto something here. I will work with this new info and see what i find.

Many man thanks guys for your hard work , other trees i have worked on have been fairly straight forward . Not this one and with a name i didnt believe was that common , it certainly wasn't when i was growing up anyway.

Regards
Tracey

here is that household in 1861

Name: Thomas Hoar
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Hoar
Mother's Name: Fanny Hoar
Gender: Male
Where born: Liskeard, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Bilston

Thomas Hoar 34
Fanny Hoar 30
Thomas Hoar 7
Alfred Hoar 5
Mary A Hoar 1



I would say it is almost a certainty this is your Thomas since at least there is no other such Thomas who landed up in Warwickshire !

it is not an uncommon name in the records in Cornwall ... unfortunately ... that is why I have had no luck sorting my own out :-)

the three spellings are all interchanged in my own family's history, what few records I have with the name ( one person whose name is spelled one way at his baptism while his brother's is spelled another, then differently in the 1851 census and differently again on his second marriage in the 1870s )

it is pronounced 'oar' which is why in that 1871 census the name was first written as something starting with an O ... I think it says Ower ... and then scratched out and written Hoar

from the little I have read it seems not to be related to the Hoare clans from other parts of England, whose name may be related to Haw and Hawes

I wonder whether this could be your Thomas

Births Jun 1877
Hoares Thomas Birmingham 6d 161

yes ... there were dozens of 'Hoares's born in 1877 when in fact I doubt it is a name at all ... I suspect all because the transcriber misread 'Hoare" ...

and yes, yes, yes.

the list on the original page of the index is typed and the name at the top of that list is HOARE not HOARES so the transcriber made one mistake and it was applied to the whole list.

there he is your Thomas

when you apply for the birth certificate make the name HOARE and not Hoares because Hoare is what it says in the actual index

find that entry at FreeBMD or Ancestry and you will be able to look at the page to check

I will submit the correction for the whole list to FreeBMD

and the third spelling perhaps ?

arriages Dec 1876
? Hore Thomas Birmingham 6d 264
KENT Hannah Birmingham 6d 264
Seddon Edward James Birmingham 6d 264
? Woolley Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 264

Births Mar 1855 ?
Woolley Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 117

Births Mar 1856 ?
WOOLLEY Eliza Birmingham 6d 145

there is also an Elizabeth Jane Woolley Q3 1856 Birmingham ... and there is an Elizabeth Mary De Graft Woolley Q2 1857 :-)