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Roger
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29 Aug 2011 13:05 |
I am looking a a mrriage of Stephen Kirkup from Co. Durham, in either Canada or America, between 1908 and 1913 when he married in Co Durham as a widower.
I know he went to canada 1905 returned 1907 then went back again in 1908 via Ellis Island, but cannot find exact date of returning.
So can someone point me in the right direction by either how to find a marriage in America or just advice where to look/
And I have been on Ancestory all morning looking from 1908till 1913 for his return.
Roger
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Jonesey
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29 Aug 2011 13:40 |
Have you looked for him on the 1911 Canadian census to see if he was still in Canada at that time?
You will find the 1911 census online at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/index-e.html
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MarieCeleste
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29 Aug 2011 13:47 |
Hello Roger, when was Stephen born? Knowing his age will help when looking for a marriage.
I guess this is the 1913 marriage, and assume it says he was a widower?
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1913 Kirkup Stephen Lowson Auckland 10a 467 Lowson Esther J Kirkup Auckland 10a 467
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MarieCeleste
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29 Aug 2011 13:51 |
For helper's reference, I think this is the 1907 inbound passage:
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Stephen Kirkup Name: Stephen Kirkup Birth Date: abt 1882 Age: 25 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 20 Dec 1907 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Ship Name: Lusitania Shipping Line: Cunard Line Official Number: 124082
** his occupation looks like "barber" on the original.
EDIT: Information found below indicates that Roger's Stephen was a farmer.
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MarieCeleste
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29 Aug 2011 14:01 |
This is the closest census I can find, but I'm a bit doubtful because of location and occupation: (EDIT: The border crossing I found below now indicates that this most likely is him).
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: S Kastrup [S Kirkup] (Name is definitely Kirkup) Age in 1910: 27 Estimated Birth Year: 1883 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head [Self (Head)] Father's Birth Place: England Mother's Birth Place: England Spouse's Name: Mary Kastrup Home in 1910: Hurlburt, Multnomah, Oregon Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Year of immigration: 1905 Household Members: Name Age S Kastrup 27 Mary Kastrup 28 Thomas James 53
Occupation looks like Farmer.
** Can't see this man on the 1920.
This looks like the marriage for this couple:
Oregon Marriages, 1906-1920 Name: Stephen Kirkup County: Multnomah Marriage Date: 26 Jun 1909
Name: Mary Hird County: Multnomah Marriage Date: 26 Jun 1909
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MarieCeleste
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29 Aug 2011 14:11 |
This is his arrival in Canada:
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Stephen Kirkup Gender: Male Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Date of Arrival: Jun 1905 Vessel: Lake Manitoba Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Roll: T-485
(From Durham, travelling to Portland) Then his border crossing from Canada to the US:
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name: Stephen Kirkup Arrival Date: 30 Jun 1905 in Quebec Port of Arrival: St Albans, Vermont, United States Ship Name: Lake Manitoba Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1882 Gender: Male Race/Nationality: English Record Type: Manifests
This Stephen is occupation Farmer, and last resided in DURHAM!! His onward destination was what looks like Labourell Falls, Portland Oregon. He had never been to the US before, he had paid his own passage and had the requisite $50.
So, this certainly seems to be the Stephen found in the 1910 census above.
EDIT: I believe his destination would have been Latourell Falls, which is in Multnomah County.
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Roger
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29 Aug 2011 14:28 |
Thank you all so much This is him and another part of the jigsaw for him put in place.
His second wife Esther Lowson died in childbirth and he married again shorttly afterwards. All which I knew about, but it was the American connection which I knew nothing about.
Roger
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MarieCeleste
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29 Aug 2011 14:35 |
Roger, I've just edited and added a few things above.
The info is all from Ancestry, but with a worldwide subscription.
I haven't yet found a death for Mary Kirkup.
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MarieCeleste
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29 Aug 2011 14:55 |
This could possibly be Mary Hird on her way to marry Stephen (perhaps that's why he came back to England?)
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 about Mary Hird Name: Mary Hird Arrival Date: 26 Mar 1909 Port of Arrival: St Albans, Vermont, United States Ship Name: Victorian Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Age: 28 Birth Date: abt 1881 Birth Country: England Gender: Female Race/Nationality: English Record Type: Manifests
Her occupation was a domestic, and onward destination was Lateral Falls, (must be Latourell). She gives her relative as mother Martha Ruston of Askrigg.
She appears to be travelling with a Robert Hunter, age 20 - a farmer, who is also going to Lateral Falls. He gives his relative as father Solomon Hunter, of Main Street, Askrigg.
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MarieCeleste
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29 Aug 2011 14:59 |
Aha, the 1891 shows they're related!
HUNTER, Solomon Head Married M 37 1854 Groom And Gardener Askrigg Yorkshire HUNTER, Martha Wife Married F 38 1853 Fremington Yorkshire HIRD, Mary Stepdaughter F 10 1881 Scholar Fremington Yorkshire HUNTER, Lilian Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Askrigg Yorkshire HUNTER, Robert Son M 2 1889 Askrigg Yorkshire HUNTER, Christopher H Son M 1 1890 Askrigg Yorkshire Registration District: Aysgarth Sub District: Askrigg Enumeration District: 1 Ecclesiastical Parish: Askrigg Civil Parish: Askrigg
Address: 1, Silver Street, Askrigg County: Yorkshire (North Riding) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1886 Hird Martha Richmond 9d 915 Hunter Solomon Richmond Y 9d 915
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MarieCeleste
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29 Aug 2011 15:37 |
Might be connected?
Oregon Death Index, 1903-98
Name: Kirkup, Polly County: Multnomah Death Date: 26 Sep 1910 Certificate: 3022
Oregon Death Index, 1903-98
Name: Kirkup, William R County: Multnomah Death Date: 23 0 1957 Certificate: 12295 Spouse: Elizabe
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Roger
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29 Aug 2011 16:01 |
MarieCeleste I cannot thank you enough.
I also think Polly Kirkup is right as well because my grandmother was Mary Lowson and she was always known in the family as Polly.
So thank you once again.
Roger
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Stephen
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19 May 2013 22:13 |
Stephen Kirkup (same name) is my granfather. My father (aso Stephen) was a result of his third marriage.
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MarieCeleste
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19 May 2013 22:41 |
Hello Stephen, welcome to the boards.
As you will see by the dates of the last posts it's almost 2 years since the last activity on this thread.
If you want to contact Roger to share information then click on his name to send a direct message. Given the time elapsed he may not be checking back for replies on this thread.
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Roger
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29 May 2013 14:48 |
I have seen this posting and replied by PM to Stephen, but I think I am already have made contact s with him via his wife.
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