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Heather
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13 Mar 2011 07:34 |
This lady married in St George's, Hanover Square, London in 2nd quarter 1871 so I have good reason to believe that she was in service in London: she was in service in a large household in Bath in 1861.
She married a man who was a coachman in a large household in the Midlands in 1871, which lends itself to the notion that he met her through his job travelling between important houses.
Kate was baptised Kitty but seems to have used Kate when she grew up. She was born in Horsington/South Cheriton, in Somerset in 1841.
I cannot find her on Ancestry in 1871; can anyone find her on another site please.
Hopefully, Heather
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patchem
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13 Mar 2011 07:39 |
Just for reference: 1861 England Census Kate Penny Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: South Cheuton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Walcot Ecclesiastical parish: Walcot St Swithin County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Bath Sub-registration district: Walcot ED, institution, or vessel: 9 household schedule number: 119
Lydia M Palanet 27 Laura K Palanet 15 Eleanor Palanet 12 John Bradney 19 Alice Turner 24 Eliza Charter 57 Emma Scott 24 Amelia Wilmot 23 Mary Ann Cox 35 Kate Penny 20 Rebekah Dowell 20 William Smith 29 Ebenezer Hendy 20
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1691; Folio: 61; Page: 18; GSU roll: 542851.
Have you got her in 1851 and 1841? Thanks
As Kitty in 1851.
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Heather
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13 Mar 2011 07:46 |
I do have her in 1851 but she wasn't born until September 1841, thanks.
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Chris Ho :)
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13 Mar 2011 08:42 |
Can you tell us who she married in 1871?...
Chris :)
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Heather
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13 Mar 2011 08:47 |
Richard Bagley: he was a groom in 1861, coachman 1871. Born in Shropshire 1843 (birth index says 43, a family historian says 42 to fit with a baptism record for his census stated birthplace of Sutton Maddock )
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Astra
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13 Mar 2011 09:02 |
Where were they living after they married. Did they emigrate?
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Chris Ho :)
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13 Mar 2011 09:08 |
Nothing showing for 1871... Have tried 1881 1891, but no luck, so far.
Find My Past Passenger Lists start at 1890, so could be a bit too late.
Chris :)
edits, unless you have them on later Census...
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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13 Mar 2011 09:11 |
Is this him in 1871 please. He is a coachman and married on this census and a Boarder.
1871 England Census about Richard Bagley Name: Richard Bagley Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Sutton, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Castle Church Ecclesiastical parish: Forebridge St Paul County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stafford Sub-registration district: Castle Church ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 87 Household Members: Name Age Mary Evans 33 Sarah E Evans 6 Richard Bagley 28 ****************b Shrop Sutton. William Greensmith 53 Mary A Evans 10
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patchem
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13 Mar 2011 09:38 |
So she was Kate Bagley in 1871 if he was already married? The census took place on 2 April, what is the exact date of marriage from the marriage certificate? Thanks
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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13 Mar 2011 09:45 |
Patchem heres their marriage.
I looked on London Marriages but can't find it.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Richard Bagley Name: Richard Bagley Year of Registration: 1871 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun ******* District: St George Hanover Square County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 569
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patchem
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13 Mar 2011 09:57 |
I found the free bmd marriage. I just wanted to know if she is Penny or Bagley on 1871 census as Heather has put Penny.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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13 Mar 2011 10:06 |
Well I have looked for her under the names of Kitty Penny/Bagley. Kate Penny/Bagley. Kate Penney/Bayley and still no luck.
If she was a servant I wonder if they would change her name if she had married. Did they call her Kate or Kitty or Kit????? Unless she is on a missing census................................
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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13 Mar 2011 10:07 |
I even looked on trees on Ancestry.
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BatMansDaughter
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13 Mar 2011 12:56 |
Well something happened???
1881 England Census about Samuel Bagley Name: Samuel Bagley Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Horsington County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address: Hern House Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Wincanton Sub-registration district: Milborne Port ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thos. Penny 70 Eliza Penny 51 Albert Penny 20 Samuel Bagley 9 Name: Samuel Edward Bagley Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 22 Oct 1871 Baptism/Christening Place: St. Mark's, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England Birth Date: Birthplace: 4 Clarence Street Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Richard Bagley Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Kate Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01944-6 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1517620 Reference Number: item 2 p 395
Dee x
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patchem
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13 Mar 2011 16:05 |
Something happened rather quickly after the wedding, surely?
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Astra
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13 Mar 2011 16:33 |
Thought I would check out Clarence Street in 1871 although the houses aren't numbered which is annoying, but living there is a William Bagley, Ironmonger's Porter born Sutton Maddock Shropshire. So he could be a brother to Richard
260 RANSFORD, Henry Head M 25 1846 Staffordshire VIEW 260 RANSFORD, Mary Wife F 24 1847 Staffordshire VIEW 260 RANSFORD, John Ed Son M 0 1871 Staffordshire VIEW >>>260 BAGLEY, William Lodger M 38 1833 Shropshire VIEW
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton Address: Clarence Street, Wolverhampton County: Staffordshire
He appears with Richard in 1851 with their parents in Sutton Maddock although his birth year is a few years different I'm sure it is the same one
Name Age John Bagley 52 Elizabeth Bagley 40 John Bagley 20 William Bagley 14 Elizabeth Bagley 10 Richard Bagley 7 Mary Bagley 4 Mary Dodd 70
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13 Mar 2011 18:46 |
1891 (Samuel still with Grandfather) PENNY, Thomas Head Married M 79 1812 Carpenter Horsington Somersetshire PENNY, Albert J Son Married M 30 1861 Carpenter Horsington Somersetshire PENNY, Bessie Daughter In Law Married F 29 1862 Henstridge Somersetshire PENNY, Albert S Grandson Single M 2 1889 Horsington Somersetshire BAGLEY, Samuel Grandson Single M 19 1872 Painters Apprentice Wolverhampton Staffordshire WIGMORE, Lucy Granddaughter Single F 10 1881 Redhill Surrey RG number: RG12 Piece: 1902 Folio: 67 Page: 1 Registration District: Wincanton Sub District: Milborne Port Enumeration District: 6 Ecclesiastical Parish: Horsington Civil Parish: Horsington Municipal Borough: Address: Marsh Road, Horsington County: Somersetshire
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BatMansDaughter
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13 Mar 2011 19:54 |
1881 England Census about Kate Bagley Name: Kate Bagley Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: South Churton, Somerset, England >> Cheriton on image Civil parish: Bishopstone County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street Address: High St Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: House Keeper Registration district: Highworth Sub-registration district: Swindon ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Hazard Parker 69 Josh.M. Parker 29 Kate Bagley 33
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BatMansDaughter
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13 Mar 2011 19:57 |
1891 England Census about Kate Bagley Name: Kate Bagley Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Horsington, Somerset, England Civil parish: Adwell Ecclesiastical parish: Adwell Town: Adwell County/Island: Oxfordshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: House keeper
Condition as to marriage: Widower
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Thame Sub-registration district: Lewknor ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Eleanor D B Reynardson 73 William J Borek Reynardson 41 Violet B Reynardson 25 Marion L B Reynardson 40 Violet M B Reynardson 8/12 Henry E Trevor 44 Kate Bagley 41 Flora Slade 31 Margaret Price 24 Sarah Osborne 18 Eliza Smith 18 Edith Smith 15 Annie Gransfield 30 William Constable 42 Ernest Ponsford 16 William Tice 58 Fredrick March 22
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BatMansDaughter
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13 Mar 2011 20:07 |
A couple of possible deaths for Richard;
Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BAGLEY Richard 32 Reading 2c 187
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1878 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BAGLEY Richard 36 Hull 9d 146
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