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Meg53

Meg53 Report 24 Jan 2011 10:40

I'm trying to find information about Rose Ellen Garnham. She married Frederick William Taylor before 1928 and was living in Woodbridge, Suffolk in 1929. They had a daughter Ivy Poppy Muriel b 1929 and possibly another daughter, Sally. Her husband was born 1910 in Rougham, Suffolk, I believe so I assume she had a similar year of birth. Thank you.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 10:55

The marriage should be on FreeBMD and the cert will give her age and her dads name ,if known.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 11:00

maybe BUT you need to check the details against the marriage cert
1911 census
GARNHAM, David Head Married M 52 1859 Horseman On Farm Suffolk Asphall VIEW
GARNHAM, Ellen Wife Married
15 years F 51 1860 Suffolk Friston VIEW
GARNHAM, Walter Son Single M 28 1883 Labourer On Farm Suffolk Bedingfield VIEW
GARNHAM, Jennie Daughter Single F 14 1897 School Suffolk Eye VIEW
GARNHAM, Rose Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Suffolk Eye VIEW
GARNHAM, Ryan Son Single M 9 1902 School Suffolk Eye VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10712 Reference:
RG14PN10712 RG78PN577 RD210 SD1 ED14 SN2

Registration District:
Hartismere Sub District:
Mendlesham Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Eye

Address:
Ludgate Causeway Eye Suffolk County:
Suffolk

married 15 years 3 children all living so Walter Garnham would be from a previous marriage for David(dad)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 11:03

this is that Rose.s birth but not Rose Ellen
GARNHAM, Rose
Registration District: Help Hartismere
County: Suffolk
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 4A
Page No: 854

Meg53

Meg53 Report 24 Jan 2011 11:05

Thanks. I've looked there but can't find a suitable marriage or birth for her. I have her maiden name and husband's name from their daughter's birth certificate.

Ingrid in Oz

Ingrid in Oz Report 24 Jan 2011 11:08

Here is the Marriage for rose & Frederick.
Marriages Sep 1898
Garnham Rose Ipswich 4a 1593
Taylor William Frederick Ipswich 4a 1593

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 11:09

another possible daughter but would make Frederick rather young if he was born in 1910 ??
Name: Margaret Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Garnham
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1923
Registration district: Woodbridge
Registration County: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1718

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 11:11

Would they have married in 1898 and have a child in 1929 ??

Ingrid in Oz

Ingrid in Oz Report 24 Jan 2011 11:18

These are the only Taylor/Garnham births I can find between 1898 & 1930 on FreeBDM
Births Dec 1911 Taylor Edgar G H Garnham Samford 4a 1831

Births Sep 1912 TAYLOR Robert Garnham Tadcaster 9c 1961

Births Jun 1915 Taylor Arthur Garnham Tadcaster 9c 1979

Births Jun 1919 Taylor Kathleen M Garnham Woodbridge 4a 1406

Births Mar 1922 Taylor Frederick J Garnham Woodbridge 4a 1927
Births Mar 1923 Taylor Eva M Garnham Skirlaugh 9d 602

Births Dec 1923 Taylor Margaret Garnham Woodbridge 4a 1718

-Births Dec 1924 Taylor Cyril Garnham Skirlaugh 9d 511

Births Dec 1927 Taylor Kathleen Garnham Skirlaugh 9d 497


Meg53

Meg53 Report 24 Jan 2011 11:19

This may be her, thanks. There is an 11 year age difference between her and Fredk Wm which is a little unusual, perhaps, when the woman is older. I can't find a marriage and daughter's birth cert says Rose Ellen formerly Garnham. Do you have to produce a marriage certificate to confirm details when registering a birth?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 11:21

maybe they had more children than you think ??
Name: Edgar G H Taylor
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Garnham
District: Samford
County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 1831


Name: Kathleen M Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Garnham
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1919
Registration district: Woodbridge
Registration County: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1406

Name: Frederick J Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Garnham
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1922
Registration district: Woodbridge
Registration County: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1927

Theres no Sally though

Ingrid in Oz

Ingrid in Oz Report 24 Jan 2011 11:25

Would this be Ivy's Birth

Births Dec 1929
Taylor Ivy P M Carnham Woodbridge 4a 1549

Notice Surname spelling of MMN.

Meg53

Meg53 Report 24 Jan 2011 11:29

Yes Dec 1929 is correct. Thanks. They may well have had more than 2 children, a former neighbour, now very elderly, could only remember 2.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 11:32

its Garnham on FMP
TAYLOR, Ivy P M
Registration District: Help Woodbridge
County: Suffolk
Year of Registration: 1929
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Garnham
Volume No: Help 4A
Page No: Help 1549

Meg53

Meg53 Report 24 Jan 2011 11:42

Further thoughts... We did originally believe that Fredk's father Wm Frederick Taylor b. Ipswich 1876 and his wife Ellen (Overett) were the parents but when the birth cert arrived with the name Garnham on it we came to the conclusion that their son Fredk Wm was the father. Could this be a second marriage for Fredk's father?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 11:48

It would tie with the 1898 marriage posted by Ingrid

Ingrid in Oz

Ingrid in Oz Report 24 Jan 2011 11:49

Could be a second marriage.
I would get Ivy's Birth Certificate, if you don't already have it, and see what is on it.

Meg53

Meg53 Report 24 Jan 2011 12:03

We know for certain that Ivy was related in some way to the Overetts via the elderly neighbour who remembers them.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Jan 2011 12:41

1911 census

TAYLOR, William Head Married M 35 1876 Labourer Ipswich Suffolk VIEW
TAYLOR, Ellen Wife F 26 1885 Woodbridge Suffolk VIEW
TAYLOR, Dorothy Eva Daughter F 3 1908 Marlespool Suffolk VIEW
TAYLOR, Ruby Violet Daughter F 2 1909 Peasenhall Suffolk VIEW
TAYLOR, Frederick William Son M 1 1910 Rougham Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10815 Reference:
RG14PN10815 RG78PN584 RD213 SD1 ED17 SN21

Registration District:
Ipswich Sub District:
Ipswich Western Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Ipswich

Address:
33 Handford Road Ipswich County:
Suffolk

married 5 years 3 children

he is ten years older
?????????? this cant be Ellen Overett maybe its Rose Ellen known as Ellen !!

Meg53

Meg53 Report 6 Feb 2011 09:37

I sent for marriage certificate of Rose Garnham & Wm Fredk Taylor 1898, Ipswich. They are bachelor & spinster both aged 22 (b.1876). That would make Rose about 53 when she gave birth to Ivy - unlikely I feel.

So to recap I'm looking for the parents of Ivy Poppy Muriel Taylor b 1929 in Woodbridge, Suffolk. They are given on her birth cert as Rose Ellen Taylor formerly Garnham and Wm Frederick Taylor, Occ. House Painter. 14 Station Rd, Woodbridge.