Yes - the age difference bothers me too Meefy.
This would be the marriage you have found:
Marriage: 17 Apr 1853 St Peter, Mawdesley with Bispham, Lancashire, England James Caldwell - (X), full age, Collier, Bachelor, Mawdesley Anne Wilson - (X), full age, Spinster, Mawdesley Groom's Father: John Caldwell, Gas maker Witness: Law Ashcroft; Jinny Ashcroft Married by Banns by: Martin Twiss Incumbent Register: Marriages 1843 - 1919, Page 25, Entry 50 Source: LDS Film 1526409
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EDIT - not sure that it is of any help but these are the witnesses:
Marriage: 11 Jul 1836 St Michael and All Angels, Croston, Lancashire, England Lawrence Ashcroft - Husbandman, Bachelor, This Parish Jenny Dobson - Spinster, This Parish Witness: Jane Dobson, (X); Lawce. Farington Married by Banns by: S. Mossop, Curate Notes: [Bride signed as 'Jinney'] Register: Marriages 1834 - 37, Page 21, Entry 62 Source: LDS Film 93715
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I am wondering about this James who was born in 1840 - His mother is Hannah (which is interchangeable with Ann !)
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Mason Street, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Betty Wilson Head Widow Female 50 1801 - Lancashire, England
Hannah Wilson Daughter Unmarried Female 20 ** 1831 Char Woman Lancaster, Lancashire, England George Wilson Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Silk Mill Hand Lancaster, Lancashire, England James Wilson Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Silk Mill Hand Lancaster, Lancashire, England ***James Wilson Grand Son - Male 11 1840 Silk Mill Hand Lancaster, Lancashire, England Grace Wilson Grand Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Lancaster, Lancashire, England Thomas Wilson Grand Son - Male 0 1851 - Lancaster, Lancashire, England George Crowder Wilson Lodger Married Male 32 1819 Labourer Todmorden, Lancashire, England Charlotte Wilson Lodger Married Female 26 1825 Winder Neithrop, Lancashire, England Isabella Dineley Wilson Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
**NB - I think Hannah is 28 NOT 20 on image so born c 1823 ??
Baptism: 3 Nov 1844 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Grace Wilson - Daughter of Hannah Wilson Born: 6 Oct 1844 Abode: Lancaster Occupation: Spinster Baptised by: J Turner, Vicar Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1845, Page 270, Entry 2156 Source: LDS Film 1526200
Baptism: 8 Jan 1852 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England Thomas Wilson - [Child] of Ann Wilson, Single Woman Abode: Chorley........... ???? Baptised by: F. B. Broadhurst Register: Baptisms 1851 - 1876, Page 13, Entry 101 Source: LDS Film 1517687
Baptism: 25 Sep 1853 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Agnes Wilson - [Child] of Hannah Wilson Born: 18 Jul 1853 Abode: Mason Street Occupation: Spinster Baptised by: E Pedder, Curate Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1859, Page 32, Entry 249 Source: LDS Film 1526200
James' baptism (already posted by Sylvia above ):
Baptism: 7 Mar 1841 All Saints, Hesketh with Becconsall, Lancashire, England James Wilson - [Child] of Ann Wilson, Spinster Abode: Hesketh Baptised by: E. Ellwood Curate Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1856, Page 64, Entry 512 Source: LDS Film 1471150
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Mason Street, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Hannah Wilson Head Unmarried Female 36 1825 Charwoman Lancaster, Lancashire, England Grace Wilson Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Cotton Weaver Lancaster, Lancashire, England Thomas Wilson Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar Lancaster, Lancashire, England Agnes Wilson Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Lancaster, Lancashire, Englan
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Germany Street, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Hannah Wilson Head - Female 48 1823 - Lancashire, England Thomas Wilson Son - Male 20 1851 - Lancashire, England Agnes Wilson Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Lancashire, England Grace Chisholm Daughter - Widow Female 28 1843 - Lancashire, England John Chisholm Grandson - Male 6 1865 - Lancashire, England Mary Chisholm Granddaughter - Female 3 1868 - Lancashire, England James Chisholm Grandson - Male 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
Marriage: 18 Sep 1864 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England James Chisholme - 23, Stone Mason, Bachelor, Ulleswater Road Grace Wilson - 20, Spinster, Germany Street Groom's Father: Daniel Chisholme, Mariner Witness: Thomas Dobson; Martha Alice Dobson Married by Banns by: Jos. Turner, Vicar Notes: [No entry made for bride's father] Register: Marriages 1861 - 1868, Page 144, Entry 288 Source: LDS Film 1526201
Marriage: 9 Oct 1880 St John, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Richard Clark - 32, Builder's Labourer, Widower, Cable St Grace Chisholme - 36, Widow, Chapel St Groom's Father: Thomas Clark, Labourer Witness: Thomas Wilson; Mary Lindsay Married by Banns by: Geo.O. Redman Curate Notes: [Hannah Nilson crossed out in brides father column] Register: Marriages 1842 - 1885, Page 226, Entry 451 Source: LDS Film 1526409
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 11, Back George Street, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard Clark Head Married Male 32 1849 Fireman In Saw Mill Lancashire, England Transcription Grace Clark Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Lancashire, England Transcription Isabella Clark Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Lancashire, England Transcription John Chisholm (Clark) Stepson Single Male 15 1866 Coal Miner Unemployed Lancashire, England Transcription Mary H Chisholm (Clark) Step Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Lancaster, Lancashire, England
NB - brother Thomas Wilson + family next door !!
Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%) ?????? **Hunter Margaret Lancaster 8e 907 Scan available - click to view SHEPHERD John Lancaster 8e 907 Scan available - click to view **Wilson Thomas Lancaster 8e 907 Scan available - click to view Wright Rachel Lancaster 8e 907 Scan available - click to view
WILSON Thomas HUNTER Margaret Lancaster, St Thomas Preston CE13/1/291
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Lancaster is not the district for Pemberton
See the Wilson/Lloyd births above
This is the child whose birth registration is posted
Baptism: 28 Feb 1894 Christ Church, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Edwin Wilson - [Child] of William Wilson & Mary Born: 21 Jan 1894 Abode: 88, Westham Street Occupation: Cart Driver Notes: [In margin] P. Baptised by: W. F. Jameson, Curate Register: Baptisms 1890 - 1900, Page 89, Entry 708 Source: LDS Film 1526061
And his parents
Marriage: 5 Feb 1890 Christ Church, Lancaster, Lancashire, England William Wilson - 26, Cart Driver, Bachelor, 78, Prospect St. Lancaster Mary Margaret Johnson - 23, Domestic Servant, Spinster, 14, Queen Street, Lancaster Groom's Father: John Wilson, Farm Labourer Bride's Father: Edward Johnson, Fisherman Witness: R. Johnson; M. J. Wilson Married by Banns by: Philip Bartlett, Vicar Register: Marriages 1885 - 1896, Page 88, Entry 175 Source: LDS Film 1526062
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1901 Census
Name Age James Wilson 56 Elizabeth Wilson 50 James Wilson 20 Ann J Wilson 16 Edwin Wilson 7 b.ca 1894, Pemberton, Lancashire
That's quite a gap between Ann and Edwin ............ which does seem to indicate a) James married a second time , OR b) Edwin is not his son, but the illegitimate son of one of James' daughters!
There is this birth on lancs bmd ...........
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1894
WILSON Edwin Lancaster Preston JOHNSON LAN/82/16
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I wonder if this is the baptism for that birth of a James Wilson in 1840????
Baptism: 7 Mar 1841 All Saints, Hesketh with Becconsall, Lancashire, England James Wilson - [Child] of Ann Wilson, Spinster Abode: Hesketh Baptised by: E. Ellwood Curate Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1856, Page 64, Entry 512 Source: LDS Film 1471150
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I know its four years ago since this was posted, so I thought I' have another go at solving James Wilson. Sadly I am still stuck at the same point. If he was born in Hesketh like the 1881 census says, then the only birth I can find is this one but its way out for an 1846 birth. (Tareleton is the sub district for Hesketh but comes under Ormskirk on a wider scale)
WILSON James WILSON 1840 Tarleton Lancashire Preston TAR/1/79
There are no births covering the Mawdesley area which comes under Chorley for a 1846 birth. However all I know for sure is that there is no father listed on his marriage certificate, so his mothers maiden name must be Wilson, but as I doon't know anything else like first names, ordering birth certificates wouldn't help much not knowing any names to compare with.
Does anyone out there have any more suggestions?
Yours in hope
Rhys
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Wilson / lloyd marriage
Marriage: 11 Jan 1874 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England James Wilson - (X), 28 Pit Laborer Bachelor of Newtown, Pemberton Elizabeth Lloyd - (X), 23 Rover in Factory Spinster of Newtown, Pemberton Bride's Father: John Lloyd, Collier Witness: William Miller, (X); Ellen Ellison, (X) Married by Banns by: C.L.Coldwell Register: Marriages 1870 - 1878, Page 123, Entry 246 Source: LDS Film 1885637
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Yup! That is the James I am looking for. Though I think the Catherine should be 12 months as opposed to 12 years going by what other information I have.
This is the what I think is the same family in 1891
WILSON, James Head Married M 44 1847 Carter Wigan Lancashire WILSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 40 1851 Pemberton Lancashire WILSON, James Son Single M 15 1876 Surface Worker Pemberton Lancashire WILSON, Mary Daughter Single F 13 1878 Reeler Pemberton Lancashire WILSON, Cathrine Daughter Single F 11 1879 Ring Spinner Pemberton Lancashire WILSON, Ann J Daughter Single F 6 1885 Scholar Pemberton Lancashire
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Rhys, is this the 1881 you refer to:
WILSON, James Head Married M 35 1846 Colliery Carter Hesketh Lancashire WILSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 30 1851 Pemberton Lancashire WILSON, James Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Pemberton Lancashire WILSON, Mary Daughter Single F 3 1878 Pemberton Lancashire WILSON, Cathrine Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar Pemberton Lancashire
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3779 Folio: 29 Page: 6 Registration District: Wigan Sub District: Pemberton Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Pemberton Municipal Borough: Address: 3, Bridgewater St, Pemberton County: Lancashire
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