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More help needed Please.
I would be very greatfull if somebody with access to 1911 census would look up Albert Edward Howard, dob 1900,Norwich, Norfolk, fathers name possibly fred or frederick.
Mike.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: HOWARD, Albert Edward
Address: 4 Stone's Buildings Norwich

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HOWARD, Frederick Head Married M 35 1876 Shoe Finisher Norwich Norfolk VIEW
HOWARD, Mabel Maria Wife Married
15 years F 32 1879 Norwich Norfolk VIEW
HOWARD, Frederick George Son Single M 15 1896 Errand Boy Norwich Norfolk VIEW
HOWARD, Beatrice Susannah Daughter Single F 13 1898 Scholar Norwich Norfolk VIEW
HOWARD, Albert Edward Son M 11 1900 Scholar Norwich Norfolk VIEW
HOWARD, Annie Elizabeth Daughter F 9 1902 Scholar Norwich Norfolk VIEW
HOWARD, Rosabel Maud Daughter F 7 1904 Scholar Norwich Norfolk VIEW
HOWARD, Nellie Daughter F 4 1907 Scholar Norwich Norfolk VIEW
HOWARD, George Walter Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Norwich Norfolk VIEW

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Thank you very much jax,
Mike.

5 yrs past and i need help please finding his father Frederick 1876, Parents etc. as the 1911 census,
seems to be two of them on the 1881 census both as Grandson ??.

The marriage cert will give you father's name if known

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)

Howard Frederick Norwich 4b 323 Scan
Rollings Mabel Maria Norwich 4b 323

1901

Frederick Howard Head M 26 Norwich, Norfolk <<Shoe finisher
Mabel Howard Wife F 23 Norwich, Norfolk
Frederick Howard Son M 4 Norwich, Norfolk
Beatrice Howard Daughter F 2 Norwich, Norfolk
Albert Howard Son M 0 Norwich, Norfolk

Event Place Norwich, Norfolk, England
County Norfolk
Civil Parish Norwich
Ecclesiastical Parish St Philip
Sub-District West Wymer
Registration District Norwich
Residence Note Wiggs Passage

Schedule Type 56
Page Number 8

1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12, Wiggs Passage, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Frederick Howard Head Married Male 26 1875 Shoe Finisher Norwich, Norfolk, England
Mabel Howard Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Norwich, Norfolk, England
Frederick Howard Son Single Male 4 1897 - Norwich, Norfolk, England
Beatrice Howard Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Norwich, Norfolk, England
Albert Howard Son Single Male 0 1901 - Norwich, Norfolk, England

Are these the two 1881s you have found?

I presume you are trying to determine which is your Frederick?


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Double Row, Kings Lynn St Margaret, Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Howard Head Widower Male 52 1829 Railway Labourer Norfolk, England
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Malinda Howard Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Housekeeper To Father Norfolk, England
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John Howard Son Single Male 14 1867 Farm Labourer Norfolk, England
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Frederick Howard Grand Son Single Male 7 1874 - Norfolk, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Chapel Field RD, 13, Middle Row, Norwich Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James W Howard Head Married Male 44 1837 Waiter Norwich, Norfolk, England
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Harriet M Howard Wife Married Female 43 1838 Dressmaker Norwich, Norfolk, England
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Frederick Howard Grand Son Single Male 3 1878 - Norwich, Norfolk, England

There's also this one:

Name Frederic Howard
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Norwich All Saints, Norfolk, England
Registration District Norwich
Residence Note Church Alley
Gender Male
Age 7
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1874
Birthplace Norwich, Norfolk, England
Page Number 14
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 1943/10
Affiliate Record Type Household

Frederic Cross Head M 34 Wortham, Suffolk, England
Mary A Howard House Keeper Head F 35 Harwich, Essex, England
Frederic Howard Son M 7 Norwich, Norfolk, England
Alice Howard Daughter F 4 Norwich, Norfolk, England
Charles Howard Son M 2 Norwich, Norfolk, England

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Frederick Howard
England and Wales Census 1881
Name Frederick Howard
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Castle Acre, Norfolk, England
Registration District Freebridge Lynn
Residence Note St James St
Gender Male
Age 5
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Birthplace Castleacre, Norfolk, England
Page Number 3
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 1994/69
Affiliate Record Type Household
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

James Howard Head M 40 Castleacre, Norfolk, England
Elizabeth Howard Wife F 39 Watton, Hertfordshire, England
William Howard Son M 15 Castleacre, Norfolk, England
Frederick Howard Son M 5 Castleacre, Norfolk, England

Yes, alviegal,
Which one indeed ?
There is also an Everett Frederick Howard or Frederick Everett Howard.

Pretty sure from past family talk that the Howards all came from Norwich.

The one who's with James and Harriet in 1881, is described as Son in 1891, and has middle initial W:

Frederick W Howard
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Frederick W Howard
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's name: James W Howard
Mother's name: Harriet M Howard
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Heigham
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Norwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1528
Folio: 139
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
James W Howard 54
Harriet M Howard 52
Frederick W Howard 14

and 1901 makes it clear he's not the father of albert Edward :

Frederick William Howard
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Frederick William Howard
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice Pheobe Howard
Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Norwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Heigham Holy Trinity
Town: Heigham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Grocer / warehouseman
Condition as to marriage:
Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: West Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1845
Folio: 52
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick William Howard 24
Alice Pheobe Howard 25
Fred William Howard 6
Walter James Howard 2
Dorothy May Howard 2/12

The Frederick who was with grandfather William and aunt Malinda in 1881 was born in Rudham, according to Ancestry version (and the image) - not Norwich:

Frederick Howard
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Frederick Howard
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Rudham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Kings Lynn St Margaret
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: 23 Double Row
Registration district: King'S Lynn
Sub registration district: Kings Lynn North
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1997
Folio: 89
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Howard 52
Malinda Howard 19
John Howard 14
Frederick Howard 7

The illegitimate Frederic could well be the son of the head of the household where his mother was housekeeper, since he has the same christian name.

All this is speculation, Norfolkboy.

You're best to follow RamblingRose's advice, and buy a copy of Frederick's marriage cert, to see who his father was.

(below for Everitt one)

Chris :)

County Norfolk
Place Norwich
Church name St Peter Parmentergate
Register type PR
Register entry number 417
Marriage date 27 Sep 1897
Groom forename Everitt Frederick
Groom surname HOWARD
Groom age 23
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode 109 Kings Road, Lakenham
Groom occupation Baker
Bride forename Lottie Emma
Bride surname BUSSEY
Bride age 21
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Thorold's Building
Groom father forename John Everitt
Groom father surname HOWARD
Groom father occupation Baker
Bride father forename Isaac
Bride father surname BUSSEY
Bride father occupation Wherryman
Witness1 forename John Samuel
Witness1 surname HOWARD
Witness2 forename Ethel Maud
Witness2 surname BUSSEY
Notes Banns


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Marriage Certificate ordered,

Marriage Certificate arrived !!
Frederick Howard aged 20, Occ, Boot Finisher. Dog Yard, St. Martin at Oak, Norwich.
Father, John Howard, deceased. Occ, Shoemaker.
marr. 26/4/1896 to:-
Mabel Maria Rollings aged 18. Occ. Tailoress. King Street, Cookes Place, St. Stephens, Norwich.
Father, Harry or Harvey (not clear) Rollings, deceased. Occ. Carpenter.
Witnessed by:- Goerge Howard & Hannah Howard.

witnesses?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stone Masons Yard, Norwich, Norfolk, England

George Howard Head Married Male 26 1865 Boot Finisher Norwich, Norfolk, England
Hannah Howard Wife Married Female 25 1866 Silk Weaver Norwich, Norfolk,