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Thank you; that's interesting. I really ought to go back to this branch of the family and see if I can find out more. I have plenty on the Oswins but Henrietta Hurley remains a mystery!
cheers, Linda

Hello,

17 Arundel St was a boarding house kept by my 4x gt Grandmother until her death in 1843, and subsequently by her daughter until her passing in 1849 :)

Regards

Julie

The marriage certificate of Henrietta Hurley and Richard Oswin in 1844 was witnessed by N.G. Hurly and E.L. Hurly (spelt Hurly even though Henrietta's name was spelt Hurley on the same certificate!) GR now lists a Nehemiah George Harle married 1854 Bethnal Green, died 1859 Bethnal Green. Could this be the N.G. Hurly of the marriage certificate? IGI doesn't have him, or Eliza. FreeBMD has the marriage and death. Any help gratefully received!

That must be them in 1891 - well done and many thanks. I've been trying various permutations of E Hurley but hadn't got to Horley yet!

1851 - I'd got this but probably ought to try and check out the nephew and see where that leads.

Thanks very much everyone. Definitely some progress! :-)

1851 (reference)

OSWIN, Henrietta Head Married F 24 1827
St Clement, Middlesex
MCLOUGHLIN, Ellen Niece Unmarried F 24 1827
Marylebone, Middlesex (Visitor instead of Niece?)
RITTERBAUDT, Louis Nephew M 5 1846
St James, Middlesex
GRIFFITHS, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 30 1821 Servant
Wales VIEW
Piece: 1469
Folio: 52
Page: 4
Registration District: Kensington
Civil Parish: Kensington
Municipal Borough:
Address: 48, Brompton Square, Kensington, Hamlet Brompton
County: Middlesex

(not sure on that Theresa surname either MC)

Chris :)

Births Sep 1845 (>99%)
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Ritterbandt Louis Ryan St Geo Han Sq 1 43

This looks like the two sisters in 1891, Henrietta using her middle name?

HORLEY, Eliza Head Single F 60 1831 Wardrobe Dealer Stroud, London
REMOND, Theresa Sister Widow F 59 1832 Stroud, London

Piece: 99 Folio: 86 Page: 103
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough: Marylebone

Address: 54, Exeter Street, St Marylebone, London, Marylebone County: London

"Theresa" has birthplace of Strand on original. Hard to make out what the surname is meant to be on image.

The address on the death certificate is 54 Exeter Street, Marylebone. I'm not sure now if I looked for her sister and failed to find her, or if I didn't actually look. I'll look for her now!

Thanks for checking the passenger lists - useful. The India idea may be due to a misunderstanding on the part of my cousin who did the family tree, so maybe Henrietta didn't leave the country at all.

"death notified by sister E Hurley of the same address".

What was that address?

Have you found the sister on 1891 census?

There is no record on Ancestry of an incoming passenger named Henrietta Oswin

Name: Louisa Ann Oswin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1863 (Born 30th Jan 1855)
Father's Name: Richard Oswin (Steward)
Mother's name: Ann Oswin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St Paul
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers
(address, 32, Edward Street)

Chris :)

Thanks Chris - I've got the marriage (and the certificate), have got Henrietta in 1851 (in London, Richard not with her - maybe at sea) and then I've got her death certificate in 1891. But she vanishes in between.

In the meantime Richard Oswin had a child, Louisa Ann Oswin (my great grandmother) with Ann Bongard, born in 1855 in Southampton, and married Ann bigamously in Greenwich in 1866. He was a steward on a steam ship so could presumably explain his absences to both wives if he needed to! Don't know if he abandoned Henrietta totally or if he maintained both marriages. I suspect his parents knew nothing about Henrietta, although I can't prove that.

Name: Ann Bongard (Spinster)
Spouse Name: Richard Oswin (Bachelor, Steward)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Aug 1866
Parish: Greenwich St Alphege
Borough: Greenwich
Spouse Father Name: Charles Oswin (Surgeon)
Register Type: Parish Register

(this is the Marriage from an old posting below, found by a google search)


http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MARINERS/2010-01/1262863034

Chris :)

(the below from Find My Past)

License date:21 Dec 1844
License date year:1844
Bride's last name:HURLEY
Bride's first name:Henrietta Theresa
Dual date:21 Dec 1844
Groom's last name:OSWIN
Groom's first name:Richard
Record source:Faculty Office Marriage Licence Allegations 1701-1850
Data provider:Society of Genealogists

Though her death certificate says Henrietta Oswin. But presumably she could have reverted to her maiden name for a while and then gone back to Oswin. Or her sister could just have registered her as Oswin even though she had stopped using the name. All sorts of possibilities!

Thanks very much for this idea anyway - gives me something to work on.

I'm off to do some gardening now so I'm not ignoring you if you post again! I'll check again later.
:-)

The India suggestion came from a cousin who did research back in the 1970s and 80s, and then someone found a Mrs Oswin on an 1856 passenger list from Bombay to Calcutta (if I remember rightly.) But another Oswin descendant thinks this is his Mrs Oswin, and not mine! Which is why I'm wondering if she went somewhere else.

The Henrietta Hanley is an interesting thought. Richard didn't actually die until 1873, but maybe he got someone to tell Henrietta he was dead so she thought she was a widow. Hmm.

Re Passenger lists, I'm not signed up to Ancestry, but am beginning to think maybe I should be!

not holding out much hope, but posting this as she refers to Arundel Street, Strand as her birthplace!


1861

RG number: RG09
Piece: 80
Folio: 14
Page: 24
Reg. District: Marylebone
Sub District: 5 Christchurch
Parish: St Marylebone
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 310, Marylebone Road, St Marylebone
County: London

HANLEY, Henrietta Head Widow F 32 1829 Lodging House Keeper
Arundel St Strand, Middlesex
BOWDEN, Sophia Servant Unmarried F 19 1842
Middlesex, N K

As she lied about her age when she married, perhaps she also lied about who her father was?

What evidence do you have that she went to India in 1856?

Have you tried the Incoming Passengers list on Ancestry to see if her return to England shows up there?

Still wondering where Henrietta Oswin nee Hurley went after the 1851 census. Could she have gone abroad somewhere other than India? Her husband Richard appears to have sometimes sailed to Australia - he was steward on a steam ship - while his second (bigamous) wife and daughter were living in Southampton. I'm assuming ot would have been easier for him to maintain two households if one of them was abroad! And Henrietta clearly thought she was his widow, as that's what appears on her death certificate in 1891. Any help gratefully received. Thanks.

Charles Logan Hurley would be the right sort of date. Shame the marriage cert doesn't give a middle name.