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my mother was born 1945 just before her mother died.her father
was joseph henry manns from bournemouth.trying to find if she has any living relatives.any help would be great.thanks a lot

Have you tried a search on this site to see if anyone else is looking for the family,
Good luck,
Liz

Hi Deborah,

this looks like your mothers fathers birth registration;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
Manns Joseph Henry Christchurch 2b 657


Dee x

Here he is with his mother and siblings;

1901 England Census about Joseph H Manns
Name: Joseph H Manns
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Thurza
Gender: Male
Where born: Bournemouth, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Bournemouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Bournemouth Holy Trinity Church
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Bournemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 264
Household Members:
Name Age
Thurza Manns 37
James W Manns 9
Florence M Manns 8
Nellie Manns 3
Joseph H Manns 1


I'll look for the childrens full names and DOB and then hopefully we may find their marriages and subsequent children?


Dee x

Full names and years of birth;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
Manns James William Christchurch 2b 676


Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
Manns Florence Minnie Christchurch 2b 598


Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
Manns Nellie Christchurch 2b 667


Now their mother was a widow in 1901 so there is a fare chance that she remarried and had children.


Dee x

James Williams marriage;

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)

Barfoot Mildred M Manns Christchurch 2b 1892
Manns James W Barfoot Christchurch 2b 1892


Dee x

This looks like james's death registration, now it should state who registered his death.... maybe a relative;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about James William Manns
Name: James William Manns
Birth Date: 3 May 1891
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: Christchurch
Inferred County: Hampshire, Dorset
Volume: 6b
Page: 742


Dee x

Looks like Thuza/Thirza/Therza never remarried;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Thirza A Manns
Name: Thirza A Manns
Death Registration Month/Year: 1954
Age at death (estimated): 90
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 135

I see a death for Nellie Manns too........ so looks like she never married.


Dee x

Is this your Aunts birth?


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1921 (>99%)

Manns Phyllis G Payne Christchurch 2b 1197


Dee x

If Phyllis is your mothers sister I have found a marriage for her and a son...... if you would like these details just leave a message and I will send them in a private message as these dates are far to near to post on here.


Dee x

I was born ,22 01 45 Named ROBIN MANNS. MOTHERS NAME ELSIE MAY DIPPER. HER DAUGHTERS NAME WAS PATRICA JOAN MANNS.IWAS GIVEN UP FOR ADOPTION IN APRIL 45 ,AND BEEN LIED TO EVER SINCE,
:-)

Welcome to the boards, Keith.

You may have noticed that you have added to an old thread - 2010.

Deborah won't be looking for replies here now.
If you think you may be related to Deborah's family, you can try sending her a private message - click on her name in green at the top of her post and explain your interest.
However, after all this time, there's no guarantee that she will be able to receive your message.

I see your birth (with mmn given as Dibber) and Patricia Joan's on FreeBMD - except that she was Joan P Manns at birth (registered in 1926, but born 1925, per 1939 register:

Joan P Manns
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Joan P Manns [Joan P James]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1925
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 5, Woburn Terrace
Residence Place: Tavistock, Devon, England
Occupation: At School
Line Number: 37
Schedule Number: 230
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: WGBA
Borough: Tavistock
Registration district: 279-1.
Household Members Age
Bertha A P Matthews 58
Lawrence H Matthews 26
Sydney H Elford 40
Joan P Manns 14
Ernest H Knape 32
William R Blowe 41
Ermyntrude M Blowe 46
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Ernest Geo Ryder 79 .




I don't quite understand your post.
Do you mean that Patricia Joan was your mother?
Or do you mean she was your sister?

Patricia's parents' marriage:

Marriages Jun 1925 (>99%)
Dipper Elsie M Manns Christchurch 2b 1631
Manns Joe H Dipper Christchurch 2b 1631


Are you thinking that Joe is the Joseph H Manns in the 1901 census already posted?

(ie - Deborah's grandfather?)


Deborah's grandfather married in 1921, and his wife died in 1922:

Marriages Mar 1921 (>99%)
Manns Joseph H Payne Christchurch 2b 1417
PAYNE Gwendoline G W Manns Christchurch 2b 1417


Deaths Dec 1922 (>99%)
Manns Gwendoline G W 20 Christchurch 2b 788

???

Joseph Manns
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Joseph Manns [Joseph H Manns]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1899
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 195 Ashley Rd
Residence Place: Bournemouth, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Slater (Buildings)
Line Number: 25
Schedule Number: 319
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: EAAT
Borough: Bournemouth
Registration district: 94/1
Household Members Age
William D E Herridge 58
Joseph Manns 40
Brian Manns 6
Donald Manns 5 [ Gerald on image ]
This record is officially closed.
Robert Deat 13
Ronald G Dear 15
This record is officially closed.
Lottie G B Dear 41


No wife with him.
The children's mother's name was Holloway, not Dipper .

Births Dec 1933 (>99%)
Manns Brian V H Holloway Bournemouth 2b 844
Manns Brian V Holloway Bournemouth ? see S/35

Births Mar 1935 (>99%)
Manns Gerald F H H Holloway Bournemouth 2b 920

Births Sep 1935 (>99%)
Manns Brian V Holloway Bournemouth 2b 939
Manns Gerald F H Holloway Bournemouth 2b 939


I don't see a Manns/Holloway marriage - but as no relationships are given in 1939, perhaps they're not Joseph's children - or perhaps he and Elsie had separated and he had a new partner..


Joseph Henry Manns
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Joseph Henry Manns
Death Date: 26 Aug 1974
Death Place: Winton Bournemouth
Probate Date: 8 Oct 1974
Probate Registry: Winchester

Joseph Henry Manns
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joseph Henry Manns
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: 8 Mar 1900
Registration Date: Jul 1974[Aug 1974] [Sep 1974]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 23
Page: 0064

Possibly Elsie's death??


Elsie May Manns
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elsie May Manns
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 24 Sep 1903
Registration Date: Oct 1983[Nov 1983] [Dec 1983]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Maidstone
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1342


Her birth:

DIPPER, ELSIE MAY mmn VENTHAM
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 129


I don't see her in 1939.

Marriages Jun 1945 (>99%)
James Sydney H Manns Tavistock 5b 1029
Manns Joan P James Tavistock 5b 1029

One daughter born 1948, easily found on FreeBMD

The 1945 birth for Robin Manns records MMN as DIBBER

What is the reason for your post Keith? You haven’t asked a question

THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY, THE SPELLING OF DIBBER IS AN ERROR ,ON THE ADOPTION PAPERS ALSO ON THE DIVORCE PAPERS IT IS DIPPER . MY QUESTION IS DO I HAVE ANY RELATIVE,S KNOWN OR UKNOWN ,IT WOULD BE GREAT TO MEET UP WITH A RELATIVE ,TO SEE A PICTURE OFF MY MOTHER ,OR ANYONE ,WHY AM I WHO I AM .

Have you sent a private message to Deborah yet, as I suggested?
She may not reply, but it's certainly worth a try.


Here is Elsie in 1911 (her birth in 1903 is already posted) - she had a sister:

Elsie Dipper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elsie Dipper
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Winchester
Country: England
Street Address: Chestnuts Lodge, St Cross, Winchester
Registration District Number: 103
Sub-registration District: Winchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 6123
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dipper 36
Florence Dipper 35
Ethel Dipper 12
Elsie Dipper 7


Ethel's birth:

DIPPER, ETHEL ANNIE mmn VENTHAM
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 125

The parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
DIPPER George Edward Romsey 2c 173
Ventham Annie Romsey 2c 173


Florence (in 1911 census above) was George's second wife:

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
DIPPER George Edward Romsey 2c 184
MITCHELL Florence Elizabeth Romsey 2c 184


George's first wife's death:

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Dipper Annie 35 Winchester 2c 90


Sadly, Elsie's sister also died young:

Ethel A Dipper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ethel A Dipper
Death Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1899
Registration Date: Jul 1918[Aug 1918] [Sep 1918]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: South Stoneham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 125


George and Florence don't appear to have had any later children.

George and Florence in 1939:

Florence E Dipper
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Florence E Dipper
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 7 Sep 1875
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 6 Maypole Villas
Residence Place: Eastleigh, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 16
Schedule Number: 307
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: EDGN
Borough: Eastleigh
Inferred Spouse:
George E Dipper
Household Members Age
George E Dipper 66 - 18 Dec 1873
Florence E Dipper 64