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McQUAIDE MURDER VICTIM'S GRANDPARENTS
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Betty | Report | 30 Jun 2010 18:03 |
On the 1878 marriage certificate for my great-grandparents, Daniel Quade and Bridget O'Brien, it states that they were born in Cork but no further details. They married in England and I have all the details of the marriage. I always vaguely knew about a murder in the family but have now found out that one of their daughters, Bridget McQuaide (younger sister to my grandfather), was murdered in 1903 (in Fulham) by her boyfriend. I have found out quite a lot about this murder (quite gory) and wonder if the details might have been published in the Cork press of the time as the families of both great-grandparents would have still lived there. I really want some lead as to where exactly they came from and presume any such report would mention the murder and any connection with local families. The difference in surname occurs a lot in my research, but in the UK press cutting of the trial of Bridget's murderer it is confirmed the correct spelling is McQuaide. Any help gratefully received. Betty |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 30 Jun 2010 18:15 |
1881 - here are some Cork ones who moved to London |
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Betty | Report | 30 Jun 2010 18:23 |
Thanks Ann for your prompt reply, but we do know that Daniel and Bridget came from Cork. On their marriage certificate it states this as well as on all the census returns, but as neither of them could read or write at that time I presume the priest marrying them just spelt it Quade. Even the census returns spell it differently, but that is nothing unusual. The problem is that Cork genealogy sites are split into various areas (as are the Irish census returns) so I am trying to find out exactly where in Cork they came from, i.e. Co. Cork or Cork City, in order to try and trace their parents. |
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Betty | Report | 30 Jun 2010 18:26 |
Yes Ann, that is my family but the surname spelt wrong as usual - the person completing the census probably couldn't understand the Cork accents!! In the 1903 trial it was commented on and my great-grandmother was asked to speak slower! |
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Mike * | Report | 30 Jun 2010 18:31 |
Ann o GG |
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AnnCardiff | Report | 30 Jun 2010 18:33 |
ha ha!!!! I have a few Limericks but don't think I'll put them on here - there was a young lady from Devizes!!!! |
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WayneTracey | Report | 30 Jun 2010 18:39 |
Betty there is a 4 line bit in the Times! |
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Gee | Report | 30 Jun 2010 18:42 |
Check this out, about a quarter way down the page |
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Betty | Report | 30 Jun 2010 20:11 |
Thanks Ginny and WayneTracey. We have read the oldbaileyonline and, in fact, that is where we started our search. |
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Gee | Report | 30 Jun 2010 20:38 |
PM...when you send a private message by clicking on the persons name |
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Betty | Report | 30 Jun 2010 21:01 |
Thanks once again Ginny. |
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WayneTracey | Report | 30 Jun 2010 21:15 |
Betty, |
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Eringobragh1916 | Report | 30 Jun 2010 21:49 |
Betty...Does the Marriage Cert for Brid and Daniel not have their parents names on...? |
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Vicci | Report | 30 Jun 2010 22:10 |
for info i'm sure that you have this already |
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Vicci | Report | 30 Jun 2010 22:31 |
have you got the full details of the Daniel and Bridget marriage Brentford 1878 |
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Betty | Report | 30 Jun 2010 22:44 |
Thanks Eringobragh1916. On the marriage certificate it states the father of Daniel was (guess what?) Daniel deceased. The father of Bridget was given as Richard O'Brien. I understand from a relative I have recently contacted through GR that because of anti-Irish feelings the family dropped the "Mc" when they came to England: apparently it was felt to be less Irish without the "Mc". My grandfather suddenly became McQuaid when he married my grandmother, but that was only one year after his sister was murdered, so maybe it was a reaction to this. It is in part of the testimony at the trial that Bridget's mother was questioned as to the correct spelling of the surname because of the variations and the spelling "McQuaide" was given. It was a surprise to me when I saw the spelling "Quade" in some of the census returns when it was obviously my family. Will only ever know for sure if I can uncover any records in Cork. |
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Betty | Report | 25 Sep 2013 18:04 |
I have now found out quite a lot about Bridget's murder, but there is one piece in the jigsaw I am stuck on. Her murderer, Thomas Washington Gibbs, was initially sentenced to death, but this was later commuted to life imprisonment after a campaign started by the then "Sun" newspaper. After viewing the papers at Kew I gather that this particular paper had started a campaign against capital punishment around this time. However, I cannot find any record of a paper at that time called the Sun. This was in 1903. Can anyone trace the publishing dates of this paper and whether it was a local or national paper. Thomas Gibbs eventually got out of prison after 13 years and joined up for WW1, where I gather he was killed. |
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LadyKira | Report | 26 Sep 2013 17:07 |
1911 England Census about Thomas Washington Gibbs |
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LadyKira | Report | 26 Sep 2013 17:44 |
Not what you are after but some interesting thoughts to help you on your way |
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LadyKira | Report | 26 Sep 2013 17:53 |
This one mentions Thomas and the campaign. |