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Evelyn Lang, a brushmaker, Bristol, c1905-15

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 13:23

Leonard George Boxall
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Leonard George Boxall
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brentwood, Essex
Civil Parish: Shenfield
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Hawkwood, Shenfield Rd, Brentwood,, Essex
Occupation: At school
Registration district: Billericay
Registration District Number: 193
Sub-registration district: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 10010
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Boxall 48
Mary Boxall 46
Florence Martha Boxall 21
Elsie Mary Boxall 16
Leonard George Boxall 10
Frank Douglas Sedgley Chaundy 25


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
BOXALL Alfred Ludlow 6a 1131
MALPASS Mary Ludlow 6a 1131

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 13:23

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Road Rustic Terrace, Shenfield, Billericay, Essex, England

Alfred Boxall Head Married Male 38 1863 Gardener Domestic Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary Boxall Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Shropshire, England
Florence M Boxall Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Shropshire, England
Cyril A Boxall Son - Male 9 1892 - Brentwood, Essex, England
Elsie M Boxall Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Brentwood, Essex, England
Leonard G Boxall Son - Male 0 1901 - Brentwood, Essex, England


1911 Census For England & Wales
Hawkwood Shenfield Road Brentwood Essex, Shenfield, Essex, England

Alfred Boxall Head Married Male 48 1863 Gardener Domestic Bermondsey
Mary Boxall Wife Married Female 46 1865 - Cla Hill Shropshire
Florence Martha Boxall Daughter Single Female 21 1890 School Teacher Cla Hill Shropshire
Elsie Mary Boxall Daughter Single Female 16 1895 - Brentwood Essex
Leonard George Boxall Son - Male 10 1901 At School Brentwood Essex
Frank Douglas Sedgley Chaundy Boarder Single Male 25 1886 Corn Merchant's Manager Leytonstone London

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 13:25

First name(s) EVELYN MARJORIE
Last name VIDOVIC
Gender Female
Birth day 13
Birth month 5
Birth year 1912
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 2004
District Bristol
District number 3011G
Register number G29C
Entry number 118

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 13:29

Marriages Mar 1950 (>99%)
Boxall Leonard G Palmer Bathavon 7c 124
Palmer Winefride Boxall Bathavon 7c 124

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 13:45

Name: Agnes Fanny Taylor
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Apr 1904
Baptism Place: Upton St Leonard, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Thomas Taylor
Mother: Elizabeth Taylor

TAYLOR Agnes Fanny (MMN) BROWN 1903 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 80 371

1911 Census For England & Wales
13 Victoria Road Longford, Longford, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Taylor Head Married Male 44 1867 Farm Bailiff Brockworth Glos
Elizabeth Taylor Wife - Female 43 1868 - Upton St Leonards Glo
Thomas James Victor Taylor Son Single Male 19 1892 Drapers Assistant Leckhampton Glo
Mary Elizabeth Taylor Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Domestic Servant Upton St Leonards
Alice Taylor Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Domestic Servant Upton St Leonards
Florence May Taylor Daughter - Female 13 1898 Domestic Servant Upton St Leonards
Elsie Annie Taylor Daughter - Female 12 1899 School Upton St Leonards
Albert Frank Taylor Son - Male 10 1901 School Upton St Leonards
Agnes Fanny Taylor Daughter - Female 7 1904 School Upton St Leonards
Adelaide Emily Taylor Daughter - Female 5 1906 School Sandhurst Glo
Frances Lucy Taylor Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Sandhurst Glo


Name: Thomas James Victor Taylor
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 May 1892
Baptism Place: Leckhampton, St Peter, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Thomas Taylor
Mother: Elizabeth Taylor

Name: Thomas James Victor Taylor
Death Date: 1 Apr 1946
Death Place: Gloucestershire, Gloucester, England
Probate Date: 26 Jun 1946
Probate Registry: Gloucester, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 13:48

Not - apparently - the one who married Cook


LANG, EVELYN MAY TURNER
GRO Reference: 1913 M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 1399

BUT........ there is no birth for an Evelyn Marjorie Lang in England/Wales, even allowing for the discrepancy in birth year

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 14:09

1939

75 Duke Street, Salford C.B., Lancashire, England
Catherine Palmer 21 Sep 1864 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 92 1
Annie Priestley (Palmer) 23 Jan 1898 Female Rainproof Machinist Single 92 2
Winifred Boxall (Palmer) 28 Feb 1919 Female Machinist Sewing Single 92 3
Teresa Kelly 29 Feb 1868 Female Book Binder Single 92 4
Catherine Mahon 02 Feb 1890 Female Barrage Balloon Maker Single 92 5


PALMER, WINIFRED - No MMN recorded. (Illegitimate)
GRO Reference: 1919 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 118

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 15:42

Do you actually have the 1931 birth cert?

If so, is there a second forename given for the child's mother?

If we have to wait another 11 years for feedback............I doubt I'll be around ;-) ;-) ;-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 15:52

There's so little to go on.

If your guess at Evelyn's YOB is correct (c1905-15), Sue, then the 1913 birth could perhaps be the right one.

You said, "Evelyn's middle name I believe was Mary, Jean was sometimes referred to as Jean Mary."
So her middle name wasn't definitely Mary.


"May" is pretty close.
My mother was born Mary, but always known as May.

You also said, "As far as I know, Evelyn did marry after Jean's birth."
So that's not definite either.

You say Jean was sometimes referred to as Jean Mary.
By whom? When?
If she was adopted by the Boxalls, then there's no reason why anything they might have called her had anything to do with her mother.



???

Evelyn M Lang
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Evelyn M Lang
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1911
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 15 Mrd (?) Qrs, Booth Road
Residence Place: Hendon, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Administrative Section Leader
Schedule Number: 179
Sub Schedule Number: 1
OVSPI: Inmate
Enumeration District: BKBT
Household Members:
Name
Evelyn M Lang
Amy A Dresdale-Linth
Margaret C Farrell
Tegwedd Johnson
Doris C Gabelle

And more pages and pages of women, mostly single. This was WAAF quarters at the RAF station at Hendon Aerodrome.

https://www.pastscape.org.uk/hob.aspx?hob_id=1150915

There is no Evelyn M Lang birth registered at the end of 1911 or start of 1912 - but if the DOB is one year out in 1939, it would fit that 1913 birth.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 16:50

THIS is the one born in Chesterfield district

Marriages Sep 1935 (>99%)
Lang Evelyn M Jenkinson Doncaster 9c 2125
Jenkinson Clifford Lang Doncaster 9c 2125

1939
37 Carr Road, Doncaster R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Evelyn M Jenkinson 02 Jan 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 62 1
1 closed record


First name(s) EVELYN MAY*****************************
Last name JENKINSON
Gender Female
Birth day 2
Birth month 1
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1999
District Sheffield
District number 0481D
Register number D59A
Entry number 015
Date of registration mm/yy 0299

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 17:26

Weston's near enough to Bristol

Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)
Bidwell Henry L Lang Weston 5c 1853
Lang Evelyn Bidwell Weston 5c 1853

NO...........too young

Evelyn Bidwell (Lang) 01 May 1917 Female Daily Domestic Single 115 4

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 17:51

We need Sue to come back with exact info from the birth cert.

The middle name beginning with M may be a complete red herring.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 18:03

Not sure why people have been focusing on Evelyn Lang with a second forename. Unless the OP comes back to say that she gave a second forename when she registered the birth, there’s no reason to think she had one.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 27 Jun 2020 19:34

possibly her but >?

matches given birth date of Eveliyn M Vidovic.

Name: Eva Marjory Lang
Birth Date: 13 May 1912
Baptism Date: 21 Jul 1912
Baptism Place: Swindon, Christchurch with St Mary, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Swindon
Search Photos: Search for 'Swindon, Christchurch with St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Percival Arthur Lang
Mother: Gertrude Jane Lang

Percival was a fitter,.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 27 Jun 2020 19:39



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Name: Percival A Lana
[Percival A Lang ]
Gender: Male
Marital status: Widow
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1891
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 103 Beechen Drive
Residence Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Occupation: Tool Setter Heavy Worker
Schedule Number: 235
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: OAQC
Registration district: 319/5
Household Members:
Name
Dennis C F Masters
Percival A Lana
This record is officially closed.
Nancy E Lang
Kathleen M Lang
Edith G Masters
Olive W Masters
Kenneth J Masters.


1911.
Percival Lang
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cadbury, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Swindon
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County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street address: 83 Lansdown Rd, Swindon, Wilts
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Fitter And Turner Mechanical
Registration district: Swindon
Registration District Number: 240
Sub-registration district: Swindon
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Piece: 11803
Household Members:
Name Age
Percival Lang 21
Gertrude Lang 22
Eliza Lang 52


His death,

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Name: Percival A Lang
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: abt 1892
Registration Date: Apr 1965
[May 1965]
[Jun 1965]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 141

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jun 2020 19:50

That’s the who married Cook and Vidovic . Well done for finding the birth

Unless Sue comes back with info from the 1931 birth cert, we’re still just guessing



Kay????

Kay???? Report 27 Jun 2020 20:33

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Hunt Gertrude J Swindon 5a 80.
Lang Percival A Swindon 5a 80.

Death,



Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1931 (>99%)
Lang Gertrude J 39 Bristol 6a 254..

,.Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
Hunt Gertrude Joan Hollingbourn 2a 800

1901.




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Name: Gertrude Joan Hunt
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Harry Hunt
Mother: Mary Ellen Hunt
Birth Place: Detling, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Detling
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Ecclesiastical parish: Detling St Martin
Town: Detling
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Hollingbourn
Sub-registration district: Hollingbourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 770
Folio: 82
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Hunt 25
Mary Ellen Hunt 29
Gertrude Joan Hunt 2
Norah Gladys Ellen Hunt 11/12




ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Jun 2020 21:05

Let's hope the birth cert gives some useful information!

If it just says her name was Evelyn Lang, it's not much help.
That could mean that either she didn't give her middle name, or that she's a different person.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 28 Jun 2020 07:39

Lang tree on ancestry has the forenamed Eva/Evalyn. Lang death as 2004.also has same named parents.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Jun 2020 09:57

The tree on Ancestry obviously has the info as found, but that’s no proof that it’s the woman who gave birth to Jean in 1931.

The only hope is that there is a second forename for the mother on the birth cert, or that the address and her occupation are matched by the info about the woman who married Cook in Bristol, if Sue gets that cert.

We now wait for Sue to return..........................