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(above from google, Tait Family)

Chris :)

1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/5 Place: Lerwick -Shetland Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Lerwick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Lerwick
Folio: 5 Page: 11
Address: G. Taits Close
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
TAIT Thomas M 49 Net Manufacturer Shetland
TAIT Margaret F 47 Shetland
TAIT Barbara F 20 Shetland
TAIT Jane F 15 Shetland
TAIT Peter M 13 Shetland
TAIT Margaret F 11 Shetland
TAIT Elizabeth F 9 Shetland
TAIT Isabella F 6 Shetland
TAIT Robert M 2 Shetland
Page: 5/12 SMITH Robina F 25 Shetland
SMITH Ann F 9 Shetland
SMITH Robina F 2m Shetland
ROBERTSON Jessy F 15 Female Servant Shetland



b 11/12/1838 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQQJ-S24

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY7S-XJV
Event Date 11 Sep 1817
Event Place Lerwick,Shetland,Scotland

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY73-YJ5
Event Date 09 Sep 1817
Event Place Tingwall,Shetland,Scotland

[Not 2 marrs - I presume the first record is the marr, and the 2nd is just a calling of banns - but I can't say without seeing the entries from SP]

Just nudging this up with a link to my own thread which does connect in a way:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1236400?jump=1236400

Where alviegal says "There are a few Daubeney trees on ancestry. One has a Frederick C Daubeney marrying an Alice Tait and having a son Robert Tait Daubeney. This is perhaps going off on a bit of a tangent from your original question but maybe it is relevant down the line."

That would have been my tree at the time and I'm now pretty sure that my Robert Tait Daubeney was the son of Frederick Sykes Daubeney and Isabelle Alice Hughes and is possibly named for Fred S's brother-in-law Robert Thomas Tait.

I'll pm Paul in case he's interested.

Wow Paul....!!!

What a lot of information you`ve managed to find since first posting your thread.......its great when you get a breakthrough and it all falls in to place....

for information only for all contributors......

Annie VIGIL Head W Female 37 Burford, Oxford, England Private Means
Chas VIGIL Son U Male 20 Symonsroad, Middlesex, England Clerk
Ernest VIGIL Son Male 12 South Norwood, Surrey, England
(Mrs) MURRY Visitor W Female 30 Plymouth, Devon, England Private Means


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Source Information:
Dwelling 50 Rosaville Rd
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341015
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0068 / 81
Page Number 24


Nicky

Dear contributors to my thread.
I have had a major breakthrough which has answered all the outstanding questions. I came across a book called "Peter Tait" written by John Waite which has a chapter devoted to Robert Thomas Tait (brother of Sir Peter Tait) and his illicit liaisons. Ernest William Tait has 3 pages! His mother Annie Taylor (who never married) adopted the surname Vigil as a result of earlier giving birth to a son Charles, whose father's name was Vigil. Ernest William and Charles are half brothers.

So in 1871 and 1881 Ernest appears as Ernest Vigil, born South Norwood !

In 1901 Ernest William Taylor was not at home in Chelsea as he was fighting in the Boer War. I am going to be sent copies of letters he sent home from the Boer War.

So Ernest William was born a Tait Taylor, brought up as a Vigil, married his first wife as a Taylor and his second wife as a Tait. Confusing eh!

Robert Thomas Tait did die in 1903 Christchurch Hampshire, penniless and buried in a commoners grave.

Thanks again to all contributors

There is a Robert Thomas Tait on the 1901 census - occupation army clothier living in Bromley, Kent

TAIT, Robert Thomas Head Married M 62 1839 Army Clothier Scotland
TAIT, Margaret Wife Married F 44 1857 Ireland

This could be the Robert Thomas Tait who died aged 65 in Christchurch, Hampshire 1903. I may get the death certificate for this one and then get a copy of a will.

The very interesting thing here is that the wife of Ernest William Tait Taylor died in early 1903. When he marries his second wife Rose Eleanor Reed (supposedly around 1903 but I have yet to find a records entry) he drops the Taylor and is now called Ernest William Tait. The 1911 census entry says they have been married 8 years which would have meant a marriage soon after the death of his first wife. Did he have a better understanding of who his real father was, was he left something in a will ? Where did he marry Rose Eleanor Reed (nothing to do with the marriage of a Rose Eleanor Reed in Fulham 1904 - I have checked).

There are a few Daubeney trees on ancestry. One has a Frederick C Daubeney marrying an Alice Tait and having a son Robert Tait Daubeney. This is perhaps going off on a bit of a tangent from your original question but maybe it is relevant down the line.

Liz

Well, well, well, how interesting! The boys from Lerwick certainly did well for themselves.

1891 for Robert T?


1891 census transcription details for: Trewen, Spring Grove, Heston, Spring Grove
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1024 Folio: 141 Page: 30

Reg. District: Brentford Sub District: Isleworth
Enum. District: 13 Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
Parish: Heston City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Trewen, Spring Grove, Heston, Spring Grove
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
DANBERRY, Fred S Head Married M 48 1843 Major Retired (should be Daubeney not Danberry)
Bath
Somersetshire
DANBERRY, Blanche Macfarlan Wife Married F 35 1856
Farnham
Surrey
TAIT, Robert J Visitor Widower M 52 1839 Living On Own Means (image reads Robert T)
Lerwick
Shetland
TAIT, Blanche E Visitor Single F 17 1874
France
TAIT, Elizabeth Visitor Single F 15 1876
London
TAIT, Isabel M Visitor Single F 13 1878 Servant
Norwood
Surrey
BAGGOTT, Eliza Servant Single F 21 1870 Servant
Isleworth
Middlesex
SAUNDERS, Eliza Servant Single F 21 1870
London


Not sure about this 1851 one.


1851 Scotland Census
about Thomas Tait
Name: Thomas Tait
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Whiteness, Ork & Zet
Parish Number: 5
Civil Parish: Lerwick
County: Shetland
Address: 2 Albert Court
Occupation: Draper & Grocer
ED: 2
Page: 20 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 94
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_2
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Tait 58
Margaret Tait 56
Jane Tait 24
Elizabeth Tait 18
Robert Tait 12
Robina Tait 38 house servant

I have just discovered that Sir Peter Tait and his brother Robert Thomas Tait from Lerwick were famous in their time - have a look at
http://www.civilwarhistorian.com/pdf/Tait%204-5.pdf

they made army uniforms for british soldiers in the Crimean War and supplied uniforms to the Confederate states in the American Civil War. Peter Tait died in Russia according to the writeup. Robert and his brother James made buttons and leather goods in a factory in the strand. The buttons were marked on the back " RT TAIT &CO/ESSEX STREET STRAND" . The RT I assume standing for Robert Thomas.
It also explains that they could have quite possibly sent Ernest off to a boarding school for his education - hence 1881 census entry.

Possible death for Robert.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Robert Thomas Tait
Name: Robert Thomas Tait
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 65
District: Christchurch (1837-1925)
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 405

I have just received through the post the marriage certificate of Ernest William Tait Taylor to Kate Amelia Bravery in Oct 1889. He calls himself Ernest William Taylor on the certificate (though of course I know he called himself Tait Taylor) with an occupation of draper. Also he records father father as Robert Thomas Taylor(deceased) occupation draper. I know as mentioned on a previous post his father to be Robert Thomas Tait. A previous post mentions a Tait with occupation of Army Contractor on 1871 census. Did Army contractors deal with cloth?. I need to find Robert Thomas Tait on 1881 census. Also is the (deceased) bit true? Experience has shown that the father is not always deceased!
So:
1) Need to find a Robert Thomas Tait on 1881 census that fits the one born in the Shetlands with possible occupation of draper.
2) Also need to see if there is a death recorded before Oct 1889

There is a good chance that this 1871 census entry could be of the Robert Thomas Tait in question. There were few Taits in london around this time. As to where Annie Taylor and the 2 year old son Ernest were in 1871 is another question..
paul

I don't suppose this could be his father? He and his brother are army contractors. Everyone else born Limerick, Ireland.


1871 England Census
about Robert T Tait
Name: Robert T Tait
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Lewick, Shetland, Scotland
Civil Parish: Putney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Putney
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 131
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Tait 42 b Lerwick, Shetlands
Rose Tait 36
Elizabeth Tait 16
Magaret Tait 14
Rose Tait 13
Mary T Tait 12
Peter Tait 10
Isabella Tait 8
William Tait 7
Evelyn R Tait 5
Allice E Tait 3
Robert T Tait 32
Mary Eyan 29

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ROBERT THOMAS TAIT Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
11 DEC 1838
Christening:
12 FEB 1839 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: THOMAS TAIT Family
Mother: MARGARET LINKLATER


Children born to this couple.


1. ISABELLA CATHARINE TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 MAR 1836 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
2. JOHN TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JUN 1818 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
3. MARGARET TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUL 1822 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
4. MARGARET TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 SEP 1830 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
5. JAMES TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 AUG 1824 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
6. JEAN TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 MAY 1826 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
7. PETER TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 SEP 1828 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
8. ROBERT THOMAS TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 FEB 1839 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland
9. BARBARA TAIT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JUN 1820 Lerwick, Shetland, Scotland

The only info I have on the parents are from his birth certificate. Robert Taits profession is given as merchant. Of course Annie Taylor is a very common name - she was the informant of the birth and I doubt South Norwood was where she lived. Those missing censuses may give a clue to where the parents came from!

Have tried all combinations of Ernest william Tait/Taylor and could not find him in either 1871 or 1901, have you found either of his parents on the 1871?

Have taken a look at the 1881 and think the one you`ve found in Gloucestershire is probably him, that spelling of Tait is quite unusual, and i would ignore the fact that his age is a year out, that is very common on census returns.


Nicky

Not a Tate from Tate and Lyle fame !
His occupation from 1911 until late in life was a domestic chauffeur.

NOT YOUR TAIT/TAYLOR

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
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Tate Ernest William Croydon 2a 182

I have found a Ernest William TATE, born Croydon, a sugar refiner on the 1901. I assume it is the Tate of Tate & Lyle. Could it be yours ??

Name: Ernest William Tate
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mildred M
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Garston
Ecclesiastical parish: Aigburth St Anne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest William Tate 34
Mildred M Tate 31
Mildred C Tate 6
Ivan Tate 4
Sarah J Saunders 36
Sarah A Cooper 27
Annie Price 37
Mary Sibson 36
Selina Sherratt 18

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Births Mar 1869 (>99%)
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TAIT Ernest William T Croydon 2a 209

Ernest William Tait Taylor was born on Christmas Day 1868 in South Norwood, Croydon, Surrey. His unmarried parents were Robert Thomas Tait and Annie Taylor, hence the Tait Taylor in his name.

I found him on the 1891 census living with his wife Kate Amelia at his in-laws house (Bravery family) in Chelsea and recorded on the Census as Ernest Taylor.

There is a possible entry for him on the 1881 census listed as Ernest W Tait as a boarder at a school in Clifton, Gloucestershire but I am not convinced it is him (age is out by 1 year).
In 1901 his wife and 5 children are at home in Chelsea, but he is not there. I cannot find him anywhere.
I have found him on the 1911 census, married to his 2nd wife (first wife died 1903)and now listed as Ernest Tait.

To recap
Not found on 1871 census
Possible entry found on 1881 census but not certain
Found on 1891 census
Not found on 1901 census
Found on 1911 census