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Vanessa, Elizabeth is a relation of Thomas.

How do you know she was adopted? Where did the story of her being brought up by Nuns comes from?

Could Elizabeth M Worrall who married Joseph Locke be related to Marion? Maybe a sister or cousin?

Witness's to her marriage??
?? Joseph locke 1905 Prescot married 1930 to Elizabeth M Worrall.
?? Edith Amy Boyle 1901 Prescot married 1940 to Thomas Tyrer had daughter 1940.

Maryb

I think asking at local libraries in the Widnes area is a good idea- they may be able to point you in the right direction- however-

I've just been reading a post on another site that suggests the electoral registers for the dates you require may be missing, but years from 1934 onwards may be available. Fingers crossed this isn't the case, although it might be still worth checking who was at the address in later years.

Just another thought- I'm not Catholic, so this might be rubbish (and I hope someone with more knowledge can help!), but at confirmation is a name added?? I have a feeling my neighbour has her confirmation name as her middle name- although this isn't listed on her birth certificate. Could she have just been Marion Harvey? Or Marianne/ Mary Ann variants?

It might worth enquiring at the Lancashire Records Office about catholic baptism records:
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office.aspx

Also, just bear in mind, the year of birth could be wrong- I have a two death certificates from my family that were a year out on the DOB.

Perhaps you could try contacting the Widnes Historical Society?
http://www.widneshistoricalsociety.org.uk/
(Though there doesn't seem to be a lot on their website.)

Or the family history group:
http://www.widnes.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/

Try asking local libraries about electoral rolls.

A family called Rathbone lived at 53 Moon Street in 1911 - no help re 1928, I realise:


George Rathbone
in the 1911 England Census
Name: George Rathbone
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tattenhall, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Widnes
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 53 Moon Street Widnes
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Prescot
Registration District Number: 456
Sub-registration district: Widnes
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 22719
Household Members:
Name Age
George Rathbone 48
S Anne Rathbone 48
William Sinpson 75 - father-in-law
Ernest Rathbone 21
Ethel Rathbone 17
Alice Rathbone 13
William Simpson Ja 37 - visitor

The witnesses were joseph locke and edith a boyle and i cant seem to get into the electoral register to check 53 moon st perhaps someone can help me please

Just out of interest, who were the witnesses on her marriage?

Have you checked the electoral registers to see who was living at 53 Moon Street?

Earlier queries, presumably by Lea or his wife, about R Davies, confectioner.
No replies there, either:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LANCSGEN/2013-09/1378567070

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52451/mb.ashx

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) ALEXANDER
Last name HARVEY
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1897
MarriageFinder™ ALEXANDER HARVEY married one of these people
MAUD MARY DAVIS, CLARA EDITH JONES, ALICE BURROWS
District PRESCOT
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 1226

This is the 1911 for that address - the Minister and sons make 3 males, but there are only the 2 females

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
44 Birchfield Road Widnes, Widnes, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Alexander Harvey Head Married Male Baptist Minister 41 1870 Glamorganshire Merthyr Tydfil
Clara Edith Harvey Wife Married Female - 43 1868 Denbighshire Llanrhaiadr Yn Mochnant
Alexander Harvey Son - Male School 11 1900 Lancashire Widnes
John Harvey Son - Male - 0 1911 Lancashire Widnes
Lillian Holland Servant Single Female Domestic Servant 22 1889 Lancashire Widnes

Alexander and Clara had been married for 13 years and had 2 children born alive (both still living).

The addresses either side are 42 and 46, just looking in case the address was flats and the numbers you found were a total at the address.

i know its has been a while since i have been on but going back to marion harvey does anybody remember a shop on the corner of peelhouse lane and belvoir road named r davies wholesale and retail confectioner marion worked there in the 1920s it now called essential hair and beauty wholesaler also a reverend a harvey who on the 1911 census lived at 44 birchfied road on the date of census had 3 males and 9 females in the house but i can only find the census summary book so no mames of the people can anyone help it may be just coincidence with the same surname :-)

pm from Lea:

"Thanks for your input on helping me trace details of my wifes grandmother there is no father shown on the marriage certificate which was on 14 april 1928 at st bedes catholic church appleton widnes in the district of prescot she died 17 march 1974 in widnes any more ideas would be appreciated as i am quite new to this"

Does anyone have any further advice for Lea?

Possibly HORRELL Marion Marguerite Leeds in 1911:
HORRELL, Stanley Head Married M 39 1872 Retail Clothier Shetland Walls Resident
HORRELL, Marion Wife Married 13 years F 39 1872 Yorks Bramley
HORRELL, Margarete Daughter F 8 1903 Yorks Leeds
ELLIOT, Clara Servant Single F 23 1888 General Servant Domestic Yorks Pickering

RG number: RG14 Piece: 26394 Reference: RG14PN26394 RG78PN1524 RD496 SD1 ED26 SN44 Registration District: Halifax Sub District: Brighouse Enumeration District: 26 Parish: Brighouse
Address: The Oaks 110 Huddersfield Road Rastrick Brighouse County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Oh well, Joseph - it least it's there for elimination purposes.

Lea, I'd recommend you buy a copy of her marriage certificate (if you don't have one, to see what it says for father's details)

Can anyone trace this girl in the1911:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Marion Marguerite Horrell
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 514a

I can't see a census, marriage or death (but perhaps some better eyes can?)

EDIT: Snap!

Death was in Berkshire, but don't know if that's of any significance:


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Marion Marguerite Worrall
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1902
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: Windsor
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 10f
Page: 2167

As she was born late March, her birth may not have been registered until the second quarter.

Very few Adell people around anywhere at anytime

Keep being drawn to this one - can't find her in 1911 - can't find a death - can't find anyone with that surname in the Lancashire area.


Perhaps someone else can have a look to eliminate ?


Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
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ADELL Margaretta Helena M Liverpool 8b 84

There is no obvious Marion Marguerite Harvey showing for 1911.