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Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
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HARDEBACK Amelia K 52 Islington 1b 360

(might fit somewhere, Lucy Burial posted!)

Chris :)

To all respondants - many thanks for your assistance. I am coming back to family history after a 2 year break - didn't mean for it to be that long, but my, doesn't time fly.

Shirley,

You have correctly identified the Hardebeck family (really there is only the one I think) with Carls second marriage to Amelia (sorry, I called her Matilda in my prior post). Thanks for advising that Gladys was with her family in the 1911 census.

As for the sailing, how can you be sure that this person isn't the one i'm after? The fact that she travelled with a 2 year old daughter (I only had this as a daughter under age 7), is not beyond the realms of possibility, given that family lore says she was an 'actress'.

Grey Ghost,

Correct. Alexander Tony Dyson did marry Ada Kendall Smith. She had a son from her previous marriage. As noted above, I made an error with the girl that married into the Hardebeck family. It was of course Amelia, aka Nellie.

Marie Celeste,

If memory serves me, Lucy (the first wife of Alexander Tony Dyson) had died either in childbirth or shortly after. Not sure as I can't find the records - yet.

Mike,

Bang on. Correct.

Alexander Tiney Dyson
Burial date 12 December 1927
London Borough of Islington


Lucy Dyson
Burial date 23 February 1899
London Borough of Islington

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(if anything else relating on above!)

Chris :)

I think Alexander's wife died, he was put as single on the 1901 rather than widower
? a mistake and his daughter Gladys went to live with her aunt's family as she was such a young age. When older and Father married she was able to return to him.

Doesn't help with what happened next though!

Alexander Tiney Dyson aged 29 Bachelor, Tea Blender of 115 Balls Road
Father William Dyson a Plumber

married Lucy Palmer 28 Spinster of s/a Father George Palmer Whitesmith

April 14th 1895 at St Judes, Mildmay Grove, Islington
Name: Alexander Ting Dyson
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Age: 29
Spouse: Lucy Palmer
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Apr 1895
Parish: St Jude, Mildmay Grove
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Dyson
Spouse Father: George Palmer
Register Type: Parish Register

I'm puzzled why it was said "Their father, it was thought for a long time had died, but he actually remarried." - The children must have been aware of the remarriage as Gladys was with him and his new wife in 1911? Or had the family drifted apart?

Gladys Matilda Dyson in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Gladys Matilda Dyson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Oct 1898
Father's name: Alexander Tiney Dyson
Mother's name: Lucy Dyson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Mother's death?

Name: Lucy Dyson
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 31
Registration district: Islington
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 298

Name:
Carl Joseph Hardebeck

Estimated birth year:abt 1840
Age:45

Spouse: Amelia Matilda Dyson
Spouse Age:25

Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:12 Sep 1885
Parish:St Mary, Islington
Borough:Islington

Father Name:Joseph Hardebeck

Spouse Father:William Dyson

Register Type:Parish Register

So if Alexander was saying he was single in 1901, how would he explain this baptism?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Gladys Matilda Dyson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Oct 1898
Father's name: Alexander Tiney Dyson - a Tea Blender
Mother's name: Lucy Dyson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address was 23 Wolsey Road

Gladys with the Hardebeck's in 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Poulhurst, Brenchley, Tonbridge, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Carol J Hardebeck Head Married Male 61 1840 Jeweller Germany
Nellie Hardebeck Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Islington, Middlesex, England
Violet Hardebeck Daughter Single Female 13 1888 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
Hilda Hardebeck Daughter Single Female 10 1891 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
Amy Bangs Servant Single Female 26 1875 Cook Domestic Camberwell, Surrey, England
Kate Attwater Servant Single Female 17 1884 House Maid Domestic Sussex, England
Gladdys Dyson Niece Single Female 2 1899 - Islington, Middlesex, England

Alexander is shown as single in 1901 at the same address as 1911. He is at that time a Gas Fitter and living with parents
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34, Kingsbury Road, Islington, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Dyson Head Married Male 68 1833 Gas Fitter Islington, Middlesex, England
Matilda Dyson Wife Married Female 68 1833 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Alexander Dyson Son Single Male 36 1865 Gas Fitter Islington, Middlesex, England
Jane Gibbons Visitor Single Female 36 1865 - Homerton, Middlesex, England

So, Grandma is Matilda, is it her daughter Matilda that married the Hardback, or are there more Matilda's out there?

1911 census says Alexander has been married 4 years, so this would be his marriage to Ada.

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) ALEXANDER TINEY
Last name DYSON
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1906
MarriageFinder™ ALEXANDER TINEY DYSON married one of these people
LILLIAN MAUD MOUSLEY,
ADA KENDALL SMITH <<<<<<<<<<<
District ISLINGTON
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 691

that should make Gladys Matilda the daughter of Alexander and a first wife and showing on the 1901 census, but can't see them together.

That sailing isn't her

First name(s) GLADYS
Last name DYSON
Gender Female
Age 29
Birth year 1899
Occupation HOUSEWIFE
Departure year 1928
Departure day 31
Departure month 8
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port QUEBEC
Destination QUEBEC
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name EMPRESS OF AUSTRALIA
Ship official number 145300
Ship master's first name R G
Ship master's last name LATTER
Shipping line CANADIAN PACIFIC
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port QUEBEC
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 5610
Ship registered tonnage 1246215
Number of passengers 457
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
She is a housewife and lived in Hayling Island before the sailing and travelled with her 2 year old daughter Eileen

Looks like she was with her family in 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34 Kingsbury Road Islington N, Islington, London, England



England & Scotland Census Transcription
34 Kingsbury Road Islington N, Islington, London, England

Alexander Dyson Head Married Male House Painter 45 1866 Islington

Ada Kendall Dyson Wife Married Female - 44 1867 Hackney

Arthut Walter Dyson Son - Male - 3 1908 Edmonton Middlesex

Amelia Letitia Dyson Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Islington

Gladys Matilda Dyson - - Female - 12 1899 Islington

Alexander Lyon Smith Stepson - Male - 12 1899 Islington

Gladys isn't with Amelia on the 1911 census
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22 Hornsey Lane Upper Holloway N, Islington, London, England

Amelia Mathilda Hardebeck Head Widow Female - 49 1862 London Islington
Violet Christine Hardebeck Daughter Single Female - 23 1888 London Cannonbury


Her death

First name(s) AMELIA M
Last name HARDEBECK
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1863
Age 52
Death quarter 1
Death year 1915
District ISLINGTON
County London
Volume 1B
Page 360
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

Is this the Hardebeck ,s
Name: Carl Joseph Hardebeck
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Age: 45
Spouse: Amelia Matilda Dyson
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Sep 1885
Parish: St Mary, Islington
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Joseph Hardebeck
Spouse Father: William Dyson
Register Type: Parish Register

Hi Mike,

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Back in 2008 it was allowed to have your email on the boards. Now edited out - thanks for the heads up on that.

My Gladys is the one born in Islington. Given your further info, this is not the marriage I was hoping for. Gladys middle name is Matilda, and Lord knows what she may have been doing in Yorkshire. She was taken in by the Hardebeck family as Her aunt Matilda was married to Carl (his second wife) and they had possibly 3 other daughters. This was simply an enquiry that was clutching at straws, and has proven to be false. I am really at a loss as to where I might find this lady.

Gladys brother Alex (my maternal grandfather was taken in by his Uncle Frederick Dyson who was, and remained childless.

This all happened in the early 1900's and I'm sorry but that is as close as I can come to a date. Their father, it was thought for a long time had died, but he actually remarried.

It was also thought that Gladys went to America and became an actress. I have found that she did go to Canada aboard the "empress of Australia" in 1927, but despite my best effort to locate her in either Canada or the US have not been very successful. I have looked for the real names of actress's but this also has been unsuccessful. Given that I don't know what happened to her, I have no idea as to date of death either.

Glitterbaby,

I did not get the marriage cert because I simply was not confident that this was the right marriage. Not having the budget to constantly get certificates, means I have to wait (usually) for on line sources to become available, or to rely on others who may have access to records that I simply do not have.

Thanks you both for your effort thus far. I think it is going to be one of those brick walls we all have in our research.

Regards

Is this her death

Name: Gladys M Ashton
Birth Date: abt 1898
Date of Registration: Dec 1964
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Dewsbury
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2b
Page: 319

When was she "adopted " by the Hardebeck family

Marriages Sep 1891
Dyson Joseph Dewsbury 9b 1063
Preston Edith Dewsbury 9b 1063

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Is this your grandfather ?

Births Jun 1913
Dyson Alwyn C - Preston - Belper 7b 1369


if not then it looks like the 1920 marriage to Ashton is not her

We need more info before going down any more paths