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Trying to prove the parents of Ann Jones from Northop Flintshire. I have her Marriage certificate, to George Smith in 1877. her death in Battersea in 1932.
Have looked through the census for 1861,1871, knowing she had a sister called Mary and the fact she called her eldest Daughter Harriett. Going on this I have come up with parents of Joseph and Harriet , but no real proof. Any ideas would be very welcome.

Presume her father is named as Joseph on her marriage certificate

What was his occupation

Where did she marry. Have you found her on any census after she married

Is this her death in Battersea giving her age as 73 thus being born abt. 1859?


Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%)

Smith Ann 73 Battersea 1d 311

A tree on ancestry has has her as Anne and her parents as Joseph jones and Harriet Edwards

Possble marriage

Marriages Jun 1851
Edwards Harriet Holywell 27 405
Jones Joseph Holywell 27 405

Not seeing them on any earlier census

Joseph Jones
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Caverswall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Dilhorne
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 2889
Folio: 53
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Jones 48
Harriet Jones 47
Harriet Hansell 23 step daughter

Class: RG10; Piece: 2889; Folio: 53; Page: 7; GSU roll: 836394

I agree with Shirley's guess at the 1851 Jones/Edwards marriage.


For reference -

presumably this is the 1861 and 1871 you think is her family:

Anne Jones
in the 1861 Wales Census
Name: Anne Jones
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Jones
Mother's name: Harriet Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Northop, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Caerfallwch
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 41
Neighbors:
Piece: 4272
Folio: 70
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Jones 45
Harriet Jones 37 - Ysgifiog <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Jones 8
John Jones 6
Mary Jones 4
Anne Jones 2


Ann Jones
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: Ann Jones
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Jones
Mother's name: Hassell Jones [ Harriett on image ]
Gender: Female
Where born: Northop, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Caerfallwch
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 85
Piece: 5643
Folio: 61
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Jones 55
Hassell Jones 50 - Ysgeifiog <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
John Jones 15
Mary Jones 13
Ann Jones 11
Catherine Jones 9
William Jones 7



Harriet Edwards
in the 1851 Wales Census
Name: Harriet Edwards
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Edwards
Gender: Female
Where born: Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Ysceifiog
Ecclesiastical parish: Ysceifiog <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View this parish
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Whitford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Piece: 2500
Folio: 683
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Edwards 65 - widow
Harriet Edwards 27



EDIT:

although the 1871 Shirley posted for Joseph and Harriet might mean that the 1871 I've posted above is wrong ?? Or vice versa ?

In case it's relevant -

Harriet Hansell in the 1871 posted by Shirley, and listed as "stepdaughter", born Longton, Staffs, was an orphan in 1851.
It looks as if she's a grand-daughter of Elizabeth Wainwright, and step-grand-daughter of John Wainwright:


Harriet Hansell
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Harriet Hansell
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Orphan
Gender: Female
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Longton
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Longton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 2007
Folio: 40
Page Number: 4
John Wainwright 30
Elizabeth Wainwright 55
Wesley Meigh 26 - son
Harriet Hansell 6


HANSELL, HARRIET mms MEIGH
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 164


Marriages Jun 1846 (>99%)
Meigh Elizabeth Stone 17 224
Wainwright John Stone 17 224

On marriage cert ,Joseph is down as a Miner.
They married in the Parish Church in Northop in 1851
The Battersea death is right.
Also the witness on cert is a John and Miriam Jones.
My problem is trying to prove if they are her parents without having to buy loads of birth certs until I find the one with a mother of Edwards

The GRO site lets you search with MMN:



Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JONES, ANN EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in HOLYWELL Volume 11B Page 299

Rose

Ann
Last name Jones
Birth year 1859
Birth date ? ? 1859
Baptism year 1859
Baptism date 23 Nov 1859
Place Northop
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Mother's first name(s) Harriett
Page 217
Record set Flintshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms

Mary
Last name Jones
Birth year 1857
Birth date 19 Jul 1857
Baptism year 1857
Baptism date 04 Oct 1857
Place Northop
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Mother's first name(s) Harriet
Page 206
Record set Flintshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

John
Last name Jones
Birth year 1855
Birth date 01 Aug 1855
Baptism year 1855
Baptism date 01 Sep 1855
Place Northop
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Mother's first name(s) Harriett
Page 194
Record set Flintshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Record

The only marriage in 1877 for a George Smith and Ann Jones is in Chester

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)
Ford Henry Chester 8a 518
JONES Ann Chester 8a 518
Roberts Alice Chester 8a 518
ROBERTS Alice Ann Chester 8a 518
Smith George Chester 8a 518

They are the right pair as there is this on FMP with Father named as Joseph-
(and Henry Ford/ Alice Roberts are the marriage after them at the same church)

First name(s) George
Last name Smith
Age 24y
Marriage year 1877
Marriage date 10 Jun 1877
Marriage place Chester
Parish St. John the Baptist
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Jones
Spouse's age 20y
Bride's father's name Joseph Jones
City or town Chester
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 3 p 100
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish marriages 1538-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

From the image - married by Banns 10 June 1877.
He is 24 a Bachelor and A Labourer. of 27 ? Russell Street Father Thomas a Horse Breaker.
She is 20 a Spinster of 13 Suffolk Street. Father Joseph a Labourer

Both signed

witnesses Thomas and Ellen Edge

1871 census -
13 Suffolk Street, Parish of St John the Baptist, Chester is the Betton family all born Chester

Parish record of the 1851 marriage of Joseph jones and Harriet Edwards

Flintshire Marriages And Banns

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Jones
Age 34
Birth year 1817
Event year 1851
Banns year -
Marriage year 1851
Marriage date 17 May 1851
Marriage place Northop
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Jones
Spouse's first name(s) Harriett
Spouse's last name Edwards
Spouse's age 27
Spouse's birth year 1824
Spouse's father's last name Edwards
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Event Marriage
Page 96
Record set Flintshire Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

From the original
Married by ?JP's certificate on 17 May 1851
Joseph - 34 Bachelor a Miner of (? Wernygain) at time of marriage. Father Robert Jones a Miner
Harriet - 27 Spinster of (?Lisum) Ysceifiog. Father Edward Edwards a Miner

Both made their Mark
Witnesses - John Jones, (?Daniel) Evans and (? Miriam) Jones


*Ysceifiog, also written Ysgeifiog, is a small village, community and parish in Flintshire, Wales.

Joseph Jones
Birth year 1817
Birth date 07 Sep 1817
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 10 Sep 1817
Place Northop
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) Robert
Mother's first name(s) Lawry
Page 44
Record set Flintshire Baptisms

Harriet
Last name Edwards
Birth year -
Baptism year 1824
Baptism date 03 Apr 1824
Place Ysceifiog
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Edwards
Father occupation Miner
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence Bryn Deugwm
Description Church in Wales. Parish Church of Ysgeifiog (Flintshire) | Baptisms, P72-1-6, January 1813-November 1867 (P72-1-6)
Page 64

Robert
Last name Jones
Birth year -
Event year 1816
Banns year -
Marriage year 1816
Marriage date 25 May 1816
Marriage place Flint
Residence Northop
Spouse's first name(s) Lowry
Spouse's last name Davies
Spouse's birth year -
Spouse's residence Flint
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Event Marriage
Page 9
Record set Flintshire Marriages And Banns

Thank you very much for all your info , think I can take it I have the right parents for Ann. Thank you Rose for the birth info , I had a choice of eight Ann jones in the Holywell area. Cheers Maddie looks like I can go another generation back now, that should keep me quiet for a while