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28 Oct 2018 20:08 |
I AM LOOKING FOR MY MUM MUMS FAMILY MEMBERS RELATED TO MARGARET LILLIE ECKFORD BORN ON 16 DECEMBER 1896 IN NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE BUT HER MUM MARGARET CAME FROM LONGBANK OR LONGBACK FARM HAWICK SCOTLAND, GRANDMA SISTER 'S WAS ANNIE AND SUEIE HER DUAGHTER WAS THOMASTINA SHE MARRIED TO JOHN DOW BROWN 1943 THEY EMERGATED TO QUEBECK CANADA IN 1949/50 AND SHE PASSED AWAY IN 2000 IN CANDA
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28 Oct 2018 21:22 |
Could she have fibbed about her age? This is the closest result from Freebmd
Births Dec 1894 (>99%) Eckford Margaret Lilico Newcastle T. 10b 170
There's also Births Dec 1894 (>99%) Eckford Lily Gateshead 10a 898
Assuming the former, GRO gives her mother's maiden name
ECKFORD, MARGARET LILIES mmn WELSH GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 170
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28 Oct 2018 21:42 |
................EDIT - DISREGARD THIS POST.........
On your Ancestry tree, you've attached the 1881 to whom you presume to be her father
John Eckford Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margret Eckford Gender: Male Where born: Maxton, Roxburghshire Registration Number: 793 Registration district: Kelso Civil Parish: Kelso County: Roxburghshire Address: Berryhill Occupation: Farm Stewart ED: 3 Household schedule number: 7 LINE: 9 Roll: cssct1881_318 Household Members: Name Age John Eckford 41 Margret Eckford 44 Thomas Eckford 12 Helen Eckford 12 Andrew Eckford 11 John Eckford 9 George Eckford 7 James Eckford 5 Jane Eckford 2
Not attached is the 1891
John Eckford Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margarat Eckford Gender: Male Where born: Maxton, Roxburghshire Registration Number: 793 Registration district: Kelso Civil Parish: Kelso Town: Kelso County: Roxburghshire Address: Berryhill Cottage Occupation: Farm Steward ED: 3 Household schedule number: 10 LINE: 1 Roll: CSSCT1891_386 Household Members: Name Age John Eckford 52 Margarat Eckford 54 Andrew Eckford 21 John Eckford 19 George Eckford 17 James Eckford 15 Jane Eckford 12
A free search on Scotlandspeople suggests Margaret's name at marriage was Ormiston
ECKFORD, JOHN ORMISTON, MARGARET 1866 685/5 377 Newington
.............DISREGARD THE ABOVE, LATER POSTS SUGGEST OTHERWISE...
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28 Oct 2018 21:51 |
Were you particularly looking for descendants of Thomastina in Canada? Who married John Dow Brown & where?
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28 Oct 2018 22:05 |
The only 2 marriages in 1943 for a John D Brown
Marriages Jun 1943 (>99%) Brown John D (to) Webb Radnor W. 11b 217 Webb Gwendoline E (to) Brown Radnor W. 11b 217
Marriages Sep 1943 (>99%) Brickell John Jones Bedwellty 11a 275 Brown John D Jones Bedwellty 11a 275 <<< Jones Daphne Brickell Bedwellty 11a 275 Jones Rosa E Brown Bedwellty 11a 275
Unfortunately both men married different Ms Jones - its not immediately apparent which lady married John D Brown
There's no marriage for a John Dow Brown on Scotlandspeople in 1943.
Edit - found it BROWN. JOHN DOW ECKFORD. THOMASINA W 1919 789/ 72 Hawick
As he married in 1919, this could be his birth BROWN JOHN DOW M 1897 646/3 866 Partick
Thomasina's ? ECKFORD THOMASINA W F 1896 789/1 151 Hawick
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28 Oct 2018 22:32 |
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Elizabeth Eckford Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Cavers, roxburghshire Registration Number: 789/1 Registration district: Hawick Civil Parish: Hawick Town: Hawick County: Roxburghshire Address: 52 Loan Occupation: Charwoman ED: 18 Household schedule number: 4 LINE: 18 Roll: CSSCT1901_423 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Eckford 57 (widow) John Eckford 11 - Galashiels, selkirkshire Annie Eckford 9 - England Andrew Eckford 8 - England Lilly Eckford 6 - England (Margaret using 2nd name?) Thomasina Eckford 4 - Hawick, roxburghshire
This could be Annie's birth ECKFORD, ANNIE JACK WELSH GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 174
And Andrew's ECKFORD, ANDREW WELSH GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 171
Same mmn of Welsh for Margaret Lily 1894.
John's birth ECKFORD JOHN M 1889 775/ 166 Galashiels
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28 Oct 2018 22:47 |
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Thomasina Brown Gender: Female Arrival Age: 28 Birth Year: abt 1897 Birth Country: Scotland Departure Port: Greenock, Scotland Arrival date: 2 May 1925 Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada Vessel: Regina
Accompanied by daughters all born in Hawick Elizabeth age 6 Winifred age 3 Destination John D Brown of 189 St Albans St, Montreal. Relative in Scotland – Mother, Elizabeth Eckford of 55 Lever, Hewick
A later return to Canada Name: Thomasina Brown Gender: Female Arrival Age: 37 Birth Year: abt 1896 Birth Country: Scotland Departure Port: Greenock, Scotland Arrival date: 1 Sep 1933 Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada Vessel: Duchess of Richmond
No other relatives with her - the John Brown listed above her on the passenger list has a different destination. Shes going to Husband John Brown of 810 Verdun, Montreal She states that she first arrived in Canada in Apr 1925
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28 Oct 2018 22:58 |
Elizabeth's birth?
BROWN ELIZABETH NISBE F 1920 789/ 30 Hawick
Not seeing a Winifred (or Winfred) Brown born Hawick 1920-1925
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28 Oct 2018 23:06 |
"SHE PASSED AWAY IN 2000 IN CANDA"
Surely not Thomasina? She'd have been c 104
Canadian BMD are difficult to track down on line as they have a long closure. It varies from Province to Province but, as a rule of thumb, marriages wouldn't be available until 80 years after the event. Deaths have a similar long closure. The last available census is 1921 before Thomasina & family departed.
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28 Oct 2018 23:46 |
Could this be John 1889 in 1891 census?
Name: John Eckford Gender: Male Age: 1 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1890 Father: Thomas Eckford Mother: Eliza Eckford Birth Place: Scotland Civil Parish: Byker Residence Place: Byker, Byker, Northumberland, England Sub registration district: Byker ED, Institution or Vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4213 Folio: 91 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Eckford 27 - Scotland, Brewing Maker Eliza Eckford 27 - Scotland John Eckford 1
Unfortunately this doesn't give a place of birth British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 John Eckford Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1889 Enlistment Age: 26 Marriage Date: 8 Jan 1917 Marriage Place: The Parish Church Long Benton Document Year: 1915 Residence Place: 140 Audley Rd, South Gosforth Newca?? Regimental Number: 99207 Regiment Name: Royal Field Artillery Number of Images: 8 Form Title: Short Service Attestation Other Records: Search for 'John Eckford' in other WWI collections Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier John Eckford Self (Head) Lilian Elizabeth Robson Hardy - Spouse
Matches with this marriage John Eckford Registration Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917 Registration district: Tynemouth Inferred County: Northumberland Spouse: Lilian E E Hardy Volume Number: 10b Page Number: 343
1939 Register Name: John Eckford Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 26 Jun 1889 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 7 Residence Place: Gosforth, Northumberland, England Occupation: Police Officer Schedule Number: 97 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: GCJC Registration district: Northumberland South 560 Gosforth 2 Inferred Spouse: Lilian Eckford Household Members: Name John Eckford Lilian Eckford - 30 Jul 1892 1 redacted record
2 possible Eckford/Hardy births Births Mar 1920 (>99%) Eckford Ethel E Hardy Castle W. 10b 859 Births Sep 1922 (>99%) Eckford John C Hardy Castle W. 10b 649
If correct, Ethel E married Leonard G Claydon in 1944. One Claydon/Eckford birth shown on Freebmd in 1944.
Ethel & Leonard both seem to have lived in Stornoway, Ethel until 2005 & Leonard to 2013
Ethel's death CLAYDON ETHEL ELIZABETH 85 HARDY 2005 221/ 82 Stornoway
Leonard's Death
CLAYDON LEONARD GEORGE 94 SPURGEON 2014 221/ 96 Stornoway
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28 Oct 2018 23:56 |
Annie Jack Eckford died under her maiden name ECKFORD ANNIE JACK 76 1968 789/ 139 Hawick
Andrew's death ECKFORD ANDREW WELSH 55 1949 789/ 11 Hawick
*if* he married???..... ECKFORD, ANDREW INGLIS, BESSIE 1937 685/4 123 St Giles
You'd probably need the MC to see if it were the correct man. Alternatively, purchase his DC to see the informant was a close relative.
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29 Oct 2018 00:08 |
This member seems to be researching the same family - send her a message to ask how she's related https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/messages/5192184/discover?rk=183635732
There are a number of people who have an Ethel Eckford but with no year or place of birth.
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29 Oct 2018 00:18 |
Could you clarify who emigrated to Canada/Quebec in 1949/1950? Was it a different branch of the family? Thomasina did visit her Scottish family fairly regularly. Had you picked up on one of those visits?
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29 Oct 2018 13:07 |
Rambling Rose has been trying to help Joanna on facebook & has asked that the following to be added to the thread ............
These names ( on Scotlandspeople) who seem to be children of Annie and John Cavers.
CAVERS THOMAS ECKFORD M 1916 789/ 244 Hawick CAVERS ELIZABETH ECKFORD F 1922 There is also a Norman Eckford Cavers bn 1933 who may still be living?
Norman Eckford Cavers ELECTORAL YEAR: 1977 STATE: New South Wales DISTRICT: Cunningham COUNTRY: Australia EDIT there are Ancestry trees that have him on, one at least appears to be family name. (** Cavers is the tree owner)
Thomasina's sister's marriage ECKFORD ANNIE WELSH CAVERS JOHN B 1912 789/ 84 Hawick Edit
Thomasina's likely marriage to John Dow Brown 1919 is on Scotlandspeople website. [ already posted]
This is cemetery record in Canada for them John D Last name Brown Year - Inscription In loving memory of Tomasina Eckford - b. May 1st 1896 – Sept. 21st 1965 Beloved wife of John D. Brown b. June 10th 1897 – Aug. 9th 1970 Place Les Jardins Commémoratifs Lakeview Memorial Gardens (Pointe-Claire) County Montréal Province Quebec Country Canada
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29 Oct 2018 16:52 |
If there is a Norman Eckford Cavers who comes from Hawick, in Scotland , please contact me as I am doing some research on the behalf of my mum Margaret Elizabeth Eckford Foster born on 28.07.1929 in Sunderland her perent's were William Foster from kerk Langley darbyshire , and Margaret Lillie or Lillco Eckford born in Newcastle upon tyne her mother was born in Hawick at eckford farm her mum passed away 1978 in Eversham worcestershire my mom was married to Frank joseph smith but he passed away on 25 12 1976 age 53 , now next year it will be my mum 90 birthday. now I don't supposed theirs will be any living relations related to my mum still alive today ??
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29 Oct 2018 19:04 |
More from Rambling Rose aka Rosie
[She has sent you] possible FB link for the Lucy Eckford who has the tree on here, and have just sent her this, Thomas travelling with wife and son Colin bruce
First name(s) Thomas Eckford Last name Cavers Gender Male Birth year 1916 Birth day 17 Birth month 9 Marital status M Occupation TEA PLANTER Departure year 1959 Departure day 6 Departure month 10 r Departure port London Destination port Bombay Destination BOMBAY Country India Destination country India Ship name Chusan
She also sent you a current address for the son. Colin Bruce Cavers. I've repeated this in a Personal Message. Look at the top of the screen. Where it says Messages, there will be a purple square with a 1 in it. Click on that and select 'in box'.
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