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Thomas and Elizabeth Richardson new moss rd

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Susan

Susan Report 18 Jul 2017 00:08

Hello i am looking to find relations of thomas and elizabeth Richardson they use to live at new moss road manchester thomas owned two houses next to each other were my grandad william and granmother eliza ann Richardson live their children are Betty Bill Joyce pat and alma
Thomas and elizabeth children are william and he had daughter thomas also had a daughter margaret
Would like to hear from family as i am doing my family tree and they could help me out with information and photos hopefully.

Susan

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 18 Jul 2017 01:02

Susan, although they aren't/weren't your relatives, it would really help if you gave a time line.

Can you estimate when they were born, and give an idea of when your grandparents were living in New Moss Rd? For instance, my grandparents were born in the late 1890's/early 1900. Our children's grandparents were born a generation later in the 1920's.

Can you confirm what you've said in your opening post please?

The neighbours Thomas & Elizabeth Richardson had a son, William.
William Richardson had 2 children, Thomas & Margaret.

As your grandparents and the neighbours share the same surname, were the men related or is it a coincidence?

Susan

Susan Report 18 Jul 2017 03:29

Hello Thomas Richardson born 1882 married a Elizabeth Richardson in 1902 both from wallness lane thomas at 26 and elizabeth at 18
William born 1899 and eliza ann Richardson also lived at wallness
It was around 1934 they all live at new moss road as i have them both there in 1939
Why i would like to get in touch with Thomas family is to see if they know anything on Elizabeth Richardson her father was Robert Richardson as i cannot find her or family before 1902
Just looking in my notes when married it has her as a spinster age 20 1902
But in the 1911 age 27
My mother said thomas son william was always called willie born about 1904 mum said thinks had 3 daughters one was called Dorise
Thomas son thomas married a lady by the name if Betty and they had a daughter
margaret
The 2 houses in new moss road mum said her uncle thomas known as Tom called the property high banks
Do hope this helps and someone knows the family
Susan

Susan

Susan Report 18 Jul 2017 03:54

Hello Thomas Richardson born 1882 married a Elizabeth Richardson in 1902 both from wallness lane thomas at 26 and elizabeth at 18
William born 1899 and eliza ann Richardson also lived at wallness
It was around 1934 they all live at new moss road as i have them both there in 1939
Why i would like to get in touch with Thomas family is to see if they know anything on Elizabeth Richardson her father was Robert Richardson as i cannot find her or family before 1902
Just looking in my notes when married it has her as a spinster age 20 1902
But in the 1911 age 27
My mother said thomas son william was always called willie born about 1904 mum said thinks had 3 daughters one was called Dorise
Thomas son thomas married a lady by the name if Betty and they had a daughter
margaret
The 2 houses in new moss road mum said her uncle thomas known as Tom called the property high banks
Do hope this helps and someone knows the family
Susan

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2017 16:13

I can't see a marriage between a Thomas Richardson and any Elizabeth in the Salford / Manchester area in any year, let alone 1902, on Ancestry.


Presumably this is the family in 1911:


Thomas Richardson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas Richardson
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Broughton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 11 Thomas St Salford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Goods Hidman In Cloth Warehouse
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 24029
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Richardson 29
Elizabeth Richardson 27 - born Salford
William Richardson 7
Thomas Richardson 3.


Married 9 years; three children, one deceased.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2017 16:21

Just for reference -

Births of the sons:


RICHARDSON, THOMAS mms RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 30


RICHARDSON, WILLIAM RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 27

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2017 16:24

Oh, yes, here's the marriage. It doesn't seem to come up on Ancestry.

EDIT:
after more hunting, yes it does show on Ancestry, but not at the top of the list even when all details are entered exactly.

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
Richardson Elizabeth Salford 8d 80
Richardson Thomas Salford 8d 80

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2017 16:30

???


Elizabeth Richardson
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Richardson
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Richardson
Gender: Female
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Roberts Court
Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3216
Folio: 122
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Richardson 27 - widow
Elizabeth Richardson 7
Robert Richardson 4

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2017 16:33

Her mother had remarried by 1901:

Elizabeth Richardson
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Richardson
[Elizabeth Murphy]
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: William Murphy
Mother: Elizabeth Murphy
Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 13 Barn Street
Occupation:
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3731
Folio: 72
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members:
Name Age
William Murphy 40
Elizabeth Murphy 38
Elizabeth Richardson 17
Robert Richardson 14

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2017 16:38

Her parents' marriage:

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
MOULT Elizabeth Salford 8d 123 Scan available - click to view
RICHARDSON Robert Salford 8d 123

and her birth:


RICHARDSON, ELIZABETH mms MOULT
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 82

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2017 16:40

One of these will be the death of Elizabeth's father Robert:

Deaths Jun 1889 (>99%)
Richardson Robert 27 Salford 8d 67

Deaths Dec 1889 (>99%)
Richardson Robert 29 Salford 8d 90

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jul 2017 16:46

Possibly her mother's birth ???:

MOULT, ELIZABETH mms WATSON
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 584

Susan

Susan Report 18 Jul 2017 23:43

Good morning thank you for all that information i will look into to it you have really been a help ??