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I have found another son. Hugh Sinclair had 4 sons. Hugh, John, William and Thomas. I think this is Hugh on the 1911 Census. Hugh Sinclair age 32 tinsmith married for 5 years to Emily age 31 from Benton Newcastle. Dora Emily age 3 and Margaret Christina age 1. I think the Christina was the name of Hugh's Grandmother Christina Munro. 8 Delavel Terrace South Benwell Newcastle

Thank you Kay but I already have this one. The maiden name is Garavan. sometimes its put as Garvan and Garvie but its Garavan as I have her parents as well. I seem to have more information going back but none for descendants. Hugh married again to Amy Jane Barrie nee Lawrence and they lived at Barossa Street Perth with Thomas age 16 on the 1911 Census.There is no sign of a marriage for Sarah Stokoe nee Ord to Hugh Sinclair but they had a son Thomas who was my partners Father. I have the details of Sarah and her parents but no sign of a marriage..There is a Sarah Sinclair in a home in Newcastle so did she leave or did he kick her out? It's a mystery as he then got married again .I don't know if Sarah was still alive or dead then.
Thank you for trying though.

From SP if it will help find a connection with more birth details.

Sinclair John,
17 April,1880.
57 High St Perth,

Father---Hugh Sinclair--Tinsmith,--(metal worker).
Mother--***Catherine Sinclair*** ms--Garvie.
Married 1878,Perth.

Sarah would have been a second wife,

There are 2 other Perth births 1879 ---1881but show another named father,

I found 2 people that were a possibility for matching trees but one wasn't and I'm waiting for a reply from the other one although its not the right birthplace.
Thank you all for your replies.
Jacqueline I didn't realise that I wouldn't get the parents on the death certificate. The parents are on on Scotlands death certificates. so its not worth sending for the death cert then.
I'm not sure what to do now. These ones that have been put on here for me I thank you all but I don't know how to match them up. Looks like I'm at a standstill.

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First name(s) William
Last name Sinclair
Relationship Lodger
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation General Trader
Age 29
Birth year 1882
Birth place Perth N B
Address Tower Street Newcastle Upon Tyne
Parish All Saints
County Northumberland
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration district number 558
Enumeration district 18
District number -
Sub district All Saints
Sub district number 5
Census reference RG14PN30655 RD558 SD5 ED18 SN9999

On the other hand...................

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
102 Grosvenor St Derby, Derby, Derbyshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Arthur Beeson Head Married Male Boiler Plater Helper 50 1861 Derbyshire Brailsford Transcription
Sarah Beeson Wife Married Female - 49 1862 Glams Ystradgunlais Transcription
Sarah E Beeson Daughter Single Female - 26 1885 Derbyshire Derby Transcription
May Beeson Daughter Single Female Tailoress 20 1891 Derbyshire Derby Transcription
Thomas Beeson Son Single Male Shop Assistant Grocer 18 1893 Derbyshire Chellaston Transcription
William Beeson Son Single Male Brass Moulders Apprentice 15 1896 Derbyshire Chellaston Transcription
Florence Beeson Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Derbyshire Alvaston Transcription
John Sinclair Boarder Single Male General Labourer 30 1881 Perthshire Perth Transcription
Edwin Bussell Boarder Single Male Macinist Driller 24 1887 Lancs Manchester Transcription
Wallace Taylor Boarder Single Male Iron Moulder 31 1880 Lancs Bolton

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Parents are not named on English death certs and I'm afraid you can't possibly know where the man who died in 1957 was born unless you have the cert..........which you don't

The death was registered in the second qrtr, which means the man was born before the end June 1880, if the info about his age is accurate

The death is too early for his actual DOB and birthplace to be on the cert

Hugh Sinclair went back to Perth with Thomas and left William and John in Byker I suppose because they were apprentice boilemakers

No Shirley I'm not sure that's him it's just it says he was born in Perth and the birth date is the same.I think I will send for his death cert. as this will have his parents on

not seeing the family in 1911 .are you sure the derby death is him ?

Just for our info
England & Scotland Census Transcription
212, Raby Street, Newcastle upon Tyne, Byker, Northumberland, England


Hugh Sinclair Head Married Male 42 1859 Gasfitter Scotland Transcription
Sarah Sinclair Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Hexham, Northumberland, England Transcription
John Sinclair Son Single Male 20 1881 Apprentice Boiler Maker Scotland Transcription
William Sinclair Son Single Male 19 1882 Apprentice Boiler Maker Scotland Transcription
Thomas Sinclair Son Single Male 9 1892 Newcastle upon tyne

Your best bet is to look in ,members trees to see if anyone has him in their tree

You can then try to make contact through the find out more box

It's unlikely anyone connected will just pop by and see this request so better you do the looking :-)

Also the informant on his death cert could be family

Looking for Descendants of John Sinclair who died at Derby 1957 age 77 or anyone searching John Sinclair Tree
John Sinclair was born at Perth Scotland 1880 then went to live in Byker Newcastle on tyne . He was an apprentice boilermaker there on the 1901 Census