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Richochet, the marriage is correct between Edward and Annie Gill. I found it on the parish records and the address matches the 1881 census. I have found a death for Annie Bartlett that could be the right one, she died in 1886 and so Edward would be free to marry again and according to 1911 census he and Edith had been married for 24 years which would be 1887.

Edward would be my great grandfather, his daughter Dorothy being my grandmother.

I have Annie and her son Edward H on the 1881 census, it does say she is a wife but I don't think that I could find her on the 1891 census and by then Edward is with Edith. It does look as though Annie and Edwards son died.

I phoned the Punchbowl cemetery in Honolulu last night and they couldn't tell me anymore than I already knew. They said the funeral directors might know more but I couldn't get through the them. I will try again tonight.

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Autumnleaves, thanks for that bit of information. Maybe you could be right, it's something to think about.

Thanks

If Henry had been a Home boy and sent to Canada he may have been unhappy as lots were not treated very well.
So maybe he altered his birth date to make himself old enough to join the Army ?? Maybe that also accounts for differences on census too - trying to hide from being recalled to Canadian employer?

What is your relationship to Edward?

Was this the son?

Deaths Jun 1882 (>99%)
Bartlett Edward Henry 2 Wandsworth 1d 446

If this is the marriage you say is his, why didn't he include his second name?

Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%)
Bartlett Edward Lambeth 1d 327 Scan available - click to view
CRABBE Sarah Ann Lambeth 1d 327 Scan available - click to view
Gill Annie Lambeth 1d 327 Scan available - click to view
WHITEHEAD Reuben Lambeth 1d 327

Re the death certificate. Would they accept his BC and assuming your direct line is a full sibling, their BC and documents down to you?

They must realise that an unmarried (to each other) couple can have children together?

I think you are right about him not being free to marry Edith. He actually married Annie Gill in 1879 and had a son but they are not living together on the 1881 census.

It's only that on the 1911 census they state they've been married from 24 years but I think they never married.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tamel Cottage, Birkbeck Road, Streatham, Wandsworth, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ellen Bartlett Head Widow Female 49 1832 No Occupation Bletchington, Surrey Image Transcription
Edward Bartlett Son Married Male 22 1859 Solicitors Managing Clerk High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire Image Transcription
Kate M Bartlett Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Milliner High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire Image Transcription
George H Bartlett Son Single Male 14 1867 Clerk To A Carrier Bristol, Somerset Image Transcription
Henry T Bartlett Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Bristol, Somerset Image Transcription
Horace W Bartlett Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Bristol, Somerset



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Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
Bartlett Edward Henry Kensington 1a 237 Scan available - click to view
GIBSON Katherine Kensington 1a 237 Scan available - click to view

The other two on the page show up together in 1881


No marriage to Edith as far as I can see. perhaps he wasn't free to legalise their union

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Radipole Road, Fulham, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward H Bartlett Head Married Male 33 1858 Journalist Buckinghamshire Image Transcription
Edith Bartlett Wife Married Female 22 1869 - Devonshire Image Transcription
Kate E Bartlett Daughter - Female 2 1889 - London Image Transcription
George E Bartlett Son - Male 0 1891 - London Image Transcription
Annie Lewendon Servant - Female 20 1871 General Servant Domestic Oxfordshire Image Transcription
Lilian Pearce Servant - Female 18 1873 Nurse Domestic Berkshire

sisters?

Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
BARTLETT Ellen Kate Fulham 1a 284

Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
Bartlett Dorothy Marguerite Fulham 1a 288

Detective and Richochet, thank you for taking the time to look at this. I stayed on a couple of hours last night after I posted and I've just got home from work so that's why there isn't any reply from me.

Detective - you have got the correct census that I've found. I also found this that makes me think it's the right one.

Name: Henry C Bartlett
Arrival Date: Oct 1923
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Residence Country: Canada
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1897
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 18

On this one he is a soldier, as on the other ones that I've found.

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Maybe the Naturalization one isn't him because of the difference in date of birth. Was he perhaps not old enough at that time to become a us citizen?

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Richochet, he enlisted in Canada and the information was almost correct except the year of birth. I've also put that up here and you can definitely see that he has for some reason changed his year of birth.

Name: Henry Chas Bartlett
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1896
Birth Location: Wandsworth, (england)
Relative: Edith Bartlett
Relationship: Mother
Regiment Number: 12550


I think I put he was born in Wandsworth because of this but you are right he was born in Kingston and his full name was Henry Charles Percival Bartlett.

This is also the passenger list which I think he was on. I think he might have been in Fegans home for boys because that is where I found him on the list, if it's the right one!

Name: Henry Bartlett
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Date of Arrival: 15 Apr 1910
Vessel: Empress of Ireland
Search Ship Database: View the 'Empress of Ireland' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: St John, New Brunswick
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4822

Again, the year of birth is not correct but I do know that he went to Canada because his mother and siblings went to Canada at a later date after his father died and on the immigration paper it says to go and live with son.

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Last thing is that I can't get the death certificate because they told me I need to send all the information to prove I am related. This means his parents marriage certificate which I have been unable to find, even with lots of help from the kind people on here. I really don't know how I can confirm it's the right one without the death certificate.

Thanks again to you both for your replies.

Maisy

By the time he arrived in Canada, he had lost two years


Name: Henry Bartlett
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: Jun 1907
Event Place: Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Age: 9
Birth Year (Estimated): 1898
Birthplace: England
Ship Name: Empress of Ireland
Affiliate Film Number: T-490

EDITED

From the image of the immigration record

The above child was with a large family headed by a charles, and they were to be deported

this one

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8, Kent Street, Shoreditch, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles W Bartlett Head Married Male 26 1875 House Collar Maker Strand, London Image Transcription
Florence Bartlett Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Shoreditch, London Image Transcription
Florence Bartlett Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Hackney, London Image Transcription
Henry J Bartlett Son - Male 3 1898 - Hackney, London Image Transcription
Violet S Bartlett Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Shoreditch, London Image Transcription
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First name(s) Violet S
Last name Bartlett
Relationship Daughter
Marital condition -
Gender Female
Age 0

Ergo: Not the child who travelled with Mrs E, but I can't see an arrival for those two, which is odd

Found this one, but the woman's age is wrong

First name(s) -
Last name BARTLETT
Title MASTER
Gender Male
Age 11
Birth year 1896
Departure year 1907
Departure day 2
Departure month 5
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port QUEBEC
Destination QUEBEC
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name EMPRESS OF IRELAND
Ship master's first name J V
Ship master's last name FORSTER
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port QUEBEC
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 24756
Ship registered tonnage 8028
Number of passengers 1221
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

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Print household transcription People with same last name on this voyage
First name(s) Last name
E BARTLETT (mrs described as married, aged 30)

This must be his birth


First name(s) HENRY CHARLES P
Last name BARTLETT
Birth year 1897
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District KINGSTON
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 337
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

as a reference point

NB: NOT born in Wandsworth

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
20, Devereux Road, Battersea, Wandsworth, London, England

Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Bartlett Head Married Male 43 1858 Surveyor Wycombe, Buckinghamshire Image Transcription
Edith Bartlett Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Exeter, Devonshire Image Transcription
Kate E Bartlett Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Fulham, London Image Transcription
George E Bartlett Son Single Male 10 1891 - Fulham, London Image Transcription
Dorothy Bartlett Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Fulham, London Image Transcription
Walter Bartlett Son Single Male 7 1894 - Putney, Surrey Image Transcription
Ruth E Bartlett Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Kingston, Surrey Image Transcription
Henry C Bartlett Son Single Male 3 1898 - Kingston, Surrey Image Transcription
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First name(s) Henry C
Last name Bartlett
Relationship Son
Marital condition Single
Gender Male
Age 3
Birth year 1898
Occupation -
Birth town Kingston
Birth county Surrey

I can't see any sign of his emigration on FMP

In which country's forces did he enlist?

Why would he have lied about his yob on the naturalisation papers??

U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995 about Henry Bartlett
Name: Henry Bartlett
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1898 <<<
State: Michigan
Locality, Court: Detroit, District Court

I'm not convinced its 'your' Henry as there is no mention of a middle name - the records either side do have them.

For our benefit

1940 United States Federal Census about Henry C Bartlett
Name: Henry C Bartlett
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Michigan
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Edgemere, Baltimore, Maryland
Map of Home in 1940: View map
House Number: 32
Inferred Residence in 1935: Philippine Islands
Residence in 1935: Philippine Islands
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Sheet Number: 7A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 20
Occupation: Soldier
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: Military Bese Rvat 10 N Fort Orrary Mary Land
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 45
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in Government work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52

1930 United States Federal Census about Henry C Bartlett
Name: Henry C Bartlett
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1898
Birthplace: Michigan
Race: Oc (White)
[O]
Home in 1930: Schofield Barracks, Honolulu, Hawaii Territory
Map of Home: View map
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Soldier
Father's Birthplace: Michigan
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan

Assuming he is the same person, he must have married between 1930 & 1940.

U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 about Henry Bartlett
Name: Henry Bartlett
SSN: 576-32-7921
Last Residence: 96815 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
BORN: 2 Apr 1897
Died: Sep 1967
State (Year) SSN issued: Hawaii (1952-1953)

if you were able to find a way to buy his DC, that might give you his marital status

ADDED - picked this up off another thread. To apply for a copy of the original Social Security Card application form
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps9/eFOIA-FEWeb/internet/main.jsp

Alternatively, if you contacted the Cemetery, if the records still exist, they might be able to tell you who applied for his burial there

U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 about Henry C Bartlett
Name: Henry C Bartlett
Service Info.: MSGT US AIR FORCE WORLD WAR II
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1897
Death Date: 11 Sep 1967
Service Start Date: 19 Nov 1948
Interment Date: 26 Sep 1967
Cemetery: National Memorial Cemetery Of The Pacific
Cemetery Address: 2177 Puowaina Drive Honolulu, HI 96813
Buried At: Section W Site 368

I'm looking for any descendants of Henry Charles Bartlett b.1897 in Wandsworth. I know he went to Canada as a boy farmer about 1910. I have found him on the 1910 census for Canada as a domestic. I've also found his enlisting papers for the first world war and it has his mothers name, Edith Bartlett and their address in Mansion Parade Wandsworth. On these papers he has changed his year of birth and put 1896, it's possible to see that he changed the 7 to a 6. He puts his date of birth as 2 Apr 1896.

I've also found his as a soldier travelling to Winnipeg, I've found a possible match on the 1930 and 1940 census for USA but it states that he was born in Michigan. I also found that he applied for citizenship in Michigan so I do think it's the right person that I'm following. On both of these census he is a soldier. Lastly, I have found a death for Henry C Bartlett in Honolulu with the correct date of birth.

I would like to be certain that he is the correct person that I'm looking for and find any descendants but I don't know where to go for help. I'm hoping that somebody would know where I can go from here.

Thanks for reading this, I know it's a little long but I need to put down all the information that I have found.

Maisy