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14 Jan 2014 16:52 |
My grandfather's family were mostly born in Belfast in the late 19thC but moved to Hull between 1903 and 1910. I am looking to fill in the details of his six siblings. His name was Allan Samuel and his siblings were: James, John, Robert, Harry, Mary and Margaret. Can you help. Allan Samuel
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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14 Jan 2014 16:54 |
Have you found them on the 1911 census?
After then you can look for any marriages on FreeBMD
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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14 Jan 2014 16:56 |
Looks like the family
1911 census transcription details for: 56 Rosmead St Hull
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG14PN28666 RD521 SD6 ED9 SN41 Reg. District: Sculcoates Sub District: Drypool Parish: Sculcoates Enum. District: 9 Address: 56 Rosmead St Hull County: Yorkshire (East riding) Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SAMUEL, John Head Married 23 years M 53 1858 Marine Engineer Ayr Kilbrinie SAMUEL, Mary Ann Wife Married F 44 1867 Down Downpatrick SAMUEL, John Son Single M 20 1891 Fitters Labourer Belfast SAMUEL, Robert Son Single M 18 1893 Belfast SAMUEL, Allan Son Single M 16 1895 Rivet Leater Belfast SAMUEL, Harry Son Single M 12 1899 School Down Lisburn SAMUEL, Mary Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Belafast SAMUEL, Margaret Daughter F 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Hull
Married 23 years 7 children born 6 still living
Robert 18 is stated as being feeble minded
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14 Jan 2014 17:07 |
Have you tried doing any research yourself?
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14 Jan 2014 18:51 |
Welcome to Genes Allan
Maybe Allan needs a bit of help to find futher info Reggie, as he only joined this month?
You may find their marriages on Freebmd as mentioned plus any children they may have had
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Have you also looked in the 'Search all trees' on this site to see if anyone else has this family in their tree? if so you can click on find out more next to their name and send them a message
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14 Jan 2014 19:05 |
Residents of a house 80 in Tullynacross (Drumbeg, Down)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Samuel John 42 Male Head of Family Church of England Scotland Works Manager Read and write - Married - Graham Emily 19 Female Servant Church of England C Down Domestic Servant Read and write - Not Married - Samuel Alan 6 Male Son Church of England C Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married - Samuel Robert 8 Male Son Church of England C Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married - Samuel John 10 Male Son Church of England C Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married - Samuel James 11 Male Son Church of England C Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married - Samuel Harry 1 Male Son Church of England C Down - Cannot read - Not Married - Samuel Mary Ann 34 Female Wife Church of England C Down - Read and write - Married -
Name: John Samuel Event Type: Marriage Event Date: Oct - Dec 1888 Event Place: Belfast, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1888 Registration District: Belfast Age: Birth Year (Estimated): Mother's Maiden Name: Volume Number: 1 Page Number: 345 GS Film number: 101255 Digital Folder Number: 004179726 Image Number: 00557
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Allan
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14 Jan 2014 19:22 |
Thank you for these replies. Yes I have the 1911 census but had missed the one deceased child: that was James the eldest who was born 1890. I had not seen on the census that Robert was feeble minded, that section on my print out is missing. I have not attempted to discover details on the other siblings yet.
Allan
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14 Jan 2014 19:48 |
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Name: Harry Samuel Spouse Surname: Isaacs, Florence Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1924 Registration District: Leeds Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 9b Page Number: 1087
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Name: Robert Samuel Birth Date: abt 1894 Date of Registration: Mar 1968 Age at Death: 74 Registration District: Hull Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding Volume: 2a Page: 300
Name: John Samuel Birth Date: abt 1858 Date of Registration: Mar 1932 Age at Death: 74 Registration District: Sculcoates Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding Volume: 9d Page: 259
Name: John Samuel Probate Date: 11 Mar 1932 Death Date: 27 Jan 1932 Death Place: Kinston upon Hull, Yorkshire-East Riding, England Registry: Yorkshire, England
John Samuel of 56 Rosemead Street, kingston-upon-Hull died at 160 Beverly Road Kinston-upon-Hull. Administration to Allan Samuel, Boilerman. Effects £411. 11s.
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Name: Mary A Samuel Birth Date: abt 1867 Date of Registration: Sep 1960 Age at Death: 93 Registration District: Holderness Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding Volume: 2a Page: 92
Mary Ann Samuel of 10 Coronation Avenue, Rustenburg Street, kingston-upon-Hull widow died at Castle Hill Hospital. Probate to Annie Watts, widow. Effects £993. 14s. 8d.
Marriages Sep 1936 Samuel Anne Watts Hull 9d 836 Watts Christopher Samuel Hull 9d 836
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14 Jan 2014 20:00 |
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Name: Mary Samuel Spouse Surname: Holmes, Thomas B Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928 Registration District: Sculcoates Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding Volume Number: 9d Page Number: 467
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Allan
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14 Jan 2014 22:07 |
Thanks again for all this info. It adds some new insights into parts of the family I never new. I'll digest and look int the gaps. Allan
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14 Jan 2014 22:20 |
You probably have this. It shows where your Grandfather name came from? John Samuel's mother's maiden surname was Allen.
1871
Name: John Samuel Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Samuel Mother's Name: M Samuel Gender: Male Where born: Ayrshire, Scotland Civil Parish: Carnforth Ecclesiastical parish: Warton Town: Carnforth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Lancaster Sub-registration District: Warton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household Schedule Number: 185 Piece: 4233 Folio: 29 Page Number: 40 Household Members: Name Age James Samuel 35 Engine Fitter, b. Edinburgh M Samuel 38 b. Ayrshire J Samuel 18 Fitter, b. Ayrshire John Samuel 12 b. Ayrshire Mary Samuel 9 b. Ayrshire Margt Samuel 5 b. Ayrshire Annie Samuel 2 b. Lancashire Robt Allan 30 Engine Fitter, b. Ayrshire
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Name: James Samuel Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relationship: Son Father's Name: John Samuel Mother's Name: Cathrine Samuel Gender: Male Where born: Kirkliston, Edinburgh Parish Number: 596 Civil Parish: Kilbirnie County: Ayrshire Address: 112 Gluwunk Occupation: Mankler ED: 1 Page: 45 (click to see others on page) Household Schedule Number: 123 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1851_132 Household Members: Name Age John Samuel 44 Cathrine Samuel 37 James Samuel 15 Agnes Samuel 13 Margret Samuel 11 John Samuel 10 Cathrine Samuel 7 Bamus Samuel 4 Mary Samuel 3 Mo James Anderson 40 Lodger
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14 Jan 2014 22:25 |
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Name: Mary Samuel [Mary Allan] Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: James Allan Gender: Female Where born: Kilbirnie, Ayrshire Registration number: 596 Registration District: Kilbirnie Civil Parish: Kilbirnie County: Ayrshire Address: Holmhead Farm Occupation: House Keeper ED: 3 Household Schedule Number: 105 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1861_86 Household Members: Name Age James Allan 68 John C Allan 24 Mary Samuel 29 James Samuel 8 John Samuel 2
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14 Jan 2014 22:36 |
Name: James Samuel Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1902 Death Age: 12 Registration District: Belfast Death Country: Ireland Volume: 1 Page: 319 FHL Film Number: 101601
Name: John Samuel Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1888 Registration District: Belfast Volume: 1 Page Number: 345 FHL Film Number: 101255 Records on Page: Name John Samuel Samuel Alexander Lindsay Swann Thomas Crone Maria Eugenie Patha Maria Eugene Murdock Augusta Ethel Marlow Burke Annie Pugsley Hugh Woods Millar Mary Ann Denvir <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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15 Jan 2014 20:48 |
This is great stuff. I hadn't seen the 1871 England census but was aware that James Samuel had lived in Carnforth and worked at the iron Works, but this shows a much bigger family than he had in '61 - no surprise.
In the final record of your post I think it refers to the marriage of John Samuel with Mary Ann in Q4 1888, should I take it that her maiden name is Denvir-from your list. That would be another useful addition. She lived until 1960 and I never knew her, just a few metres away from my granny!!
Thanks for your help, Allan Samuel
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15 Jan 2014 21:14 |
Allan, That list of names are on the same page of the marriage records as John Samuel (your G. Grandfather). As there is only one Mary Ann it would appear that Mary Ann Denvir is your Grandfather's mother's maiden surname. IF you ordered the marriage certificate from GROIRE it would give you her father's name and occupation. You may then be able to find him of the 1901 Irish census..
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