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This looks like the birth of Florence's first husband

Name: William Penny
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1877
Registration District: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 10


Here is the details of their marriage

Name: William Penna, Bachelor, House Decorator, 3 George St.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Florence Newman, Spinster, No Occ given, 78 Southampton St.
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Jun 1900
Parish: Battle Bridge All Saints
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Penna, Actor (Deceased)
Spouse Father Name: John Newman, Plasterer's Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: George King and Kate Newman.



1891

Name: Florence Newman
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Newman
Mother's Name: Mary Newman
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 43b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 158
Folio: 115
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
John Newman 35, General Labourer
Mary Newman 41
Ethel Newman 12
John Newman 11
Florence Newman 9
James Newman 4
Polly Newman 5
Susan Newman 2


Maybe Florence in 1901?

(It appears to be a hospital?)

Name: Florence Penna
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Gender: Female
Where born: Kings Cross, London, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 189 / 191 Marylebone Road

Occupation: Housewife

Condition as to marriage: Married

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: St Marylebone
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 13
Piece: 111
Folio: 112
Page Number: 5

A long list of names there but the entry below her is Frederick W. Penna aged under 1 month.

Name: Frederick W Penna
Age: Under 1 Month
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: St Marylebone
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 13
Piece: 111
Folio: 112
Page Number: 5


Not seeing a birth registered for young Frederick.

Hi Thanks for all the info,I will get some more Birth and marriage certs soon My Father Ernest was born Oct 1909 he also had a sister Florence who married Jack/James Loftus.Thanks again.Brenda. :-)

Brenda, Florence Newman married William Penna in 1900. She married Albert using her married name of Penna in 1919.


See my post on page 1 from last night

24 Sep 2013 21:30

I gave the marriages of Florence to William then her marriage to Albert.

I also gave the births, and where appropriate, the deaths of her children including Rose's death.

Rose didn't survive long................

Deaths Dec 1917 (>99%)
Wortley Rose J 1 Holborn 1b 621

You've been given the death registrations for the twins

Buy the later one, for the informant's details. he/she may still be at the address given on the cert

The best way to try to make connections is to put your tree on here..................as far as I can see, you have not yet done so

'belt & braces' on the oldest child's birth.......................

Births Jun 1902 (>99%)
Penna Albert William Holborn 1b 670

..however, in view of the 1911 census for Florence's husband at the time, one would have to doubt that he was actually a Penna

From that 1911 census that I posted, the first son, 'Berter', was baptised as a Penna, as given by rootgatherer, whilst 'Willie' was registered as a Wortley.

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In 1911, the couple claim to have been married for 11 years, but there is no record of such a marriage,which isn't surprising, as.........................

Florence, nee Newman, was, at the time, married to Mr Penna...................she didn't marry Albert until 1919, as per info posted above

She had to wait for her husband to die in WW1 before she could marry the father of her children

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Wortley James Newman Islington 1b 529
Wortley John Newman Islington 1b 529

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Wortley Rose J Newman Islington 1b 485

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Wortley Florence Newman Holborn 1b 694

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Wortley Ethel V Newman Islington 1b 441

Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Wortley Ronald Newman Islington 1b 355

Why have you 'marked as answered'?

Do you not require any further assistance?

Have you looked in Search/Search All Member Trees (Top right) to see if anyone on here has any of your family in their trees?
If they do, you can then try and make contact with them for more information.

Hi Thank you for your help,yes my Father was Ernest born 1909 Islington to Albert J Joseph and Florence Newman. Also William ,John and James Twins, Ronald,Ethel Florence all born in Islington,May be the name Penna comes in some where but i have not long started my research .Also I would love to find some living relatives .Ever hopeful Brenda :-D

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Marriages Sep 1932
Hardingham Ivy M Wortley Islington 1b 379
Wortley James Hardingham Islington 1b 379


Marriages Dec 1933
Norman Ethel M Wortley Islington 1b 311
Wortley John Norman Islington 1b 311


Marriages Sep 1941
Harris James H Wortley Islington 1b 328
Wortley Ethel V Harris Islington 1b 328

Marriages Jun 1943
Stuart Joan I Wortley Islington 1b 392
Wortley Ronald Stuart Islington 1b 392

1911

Name: William Penna
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Salford, Chester, England
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 233 and 235 Liverpool Road, Islington N
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: PAINTERS DECORATOR
Registration District: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration District: Barnsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 873
Household Members:
Name Age

Annie Brown 62 Mother
William Penna 34 Son Married 11 years no children (Scored out)
Sarah Clark 29 Visitor


PENNA, WILLIAM

Rank: Private
Service No: 203985
Date of Death: 16/08/1917
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers) 1st Bn.
Panel Reference Panel 52.
Memorial YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

Additional Information:

Name: Albert William Penna
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 May 1902
Father's Name: William Penna, House Decorator
Mother's Name: Florence Penna
Parish or Poor Law Union: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Marriages Jun 1919
Penna Florence Wortley Islington 1b 800
Wortley Albert J Penna Islington 1b 800

Marriages Jun 1900
Newman Florence Islington 1b 375 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Nock Maria Islington 1b 375
Penna William Islington 1b 375 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Stratford William George Islington 1b 375



Births Mar 1912
Wortley James Newman Islington 1b 529
Wortley John Newman Islington 1b 529

Name: James Wortley
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1912
Date of Registration: Feb 2002
Age at Death: 90
Registration District: Barnet
Inferred County: Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Register Number: D7E
District and Subdistrict: 2191D
Entry number: 61

Name: John Wortley
Birth Date: abt 1912
Date of Registration: Jun 1955
Age at Death: 43
Registration District: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 483



Births Mar 1916 Wortley Rose J Newman Islington 1b 485

Name: Rose J Wortley
Birth Date: abt 1916
Date of Registration: Dec 1917
Age at Death: 1
Registration District: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 621



Births Sep 1921 Wortley Ethel V Newman Islington 1b 441

Births Mar 1925 Wortley Ronald Newman Islington 1b 355

This might be Brenda's Father's marriage:
Marriages Mar 1929
Elliott Rosetta L Wortley Islington 1b 237
WORTLEY Ernest Elliott Islington 1b 237