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Hello again all ,
The best of thanks to prickly Holly . Today I have received the death registration of one Percy Holding known as Peter Holding - parents E Rowson and H Holding . He came to NZ and he died just a couple of suburbs away in Porirua , Wellington in 1997. So close and yet so far ...never married . Ashes were scattered ...Lived here for 22 years it said .

I can fill in another hole on my family tree but so sad . I will keep looking ...
Treasure your family .

Sue Holding

Oh My gosh - Many many thanks to both Shirley and Prickly Holly ...How amazing too to see that (Uncle ) Percy went to Australia and then must've come to NZ ...

I can't believe it -also his birthday 29 May as shown on the shipping record is the same day as my sister Shirley Kaye ....who died at 6 months old . There are so few Holding s here in NZ , but I am about to contact as many of them as I can get hold of ...

Thank you , thank you both . I am truly grateful .

Sue Holding - Wellington , NZ

Yes I sent that one too in the PM. Thanks Prickly

There is a second marriage for Isobel in 1997.

Seems to be 2 Ronald Gallop born in 1951 and have since found this death


Name: GALLOP, Ronald David
Registration district: Warrington
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1996
Month of registration: November
Date of birth: 15 February 1951
District no: 3461B
Reg no: B53C
Ent no: 273
DOR: 1196

theres no Ronald David gallop birth reg but the dob fits the one born to Ivy and David A Gallop so wonder if its the same man.

have PMd info together with a marriage for Ronald David .

Just to put people in the picture.

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
First Name: P
Last Name: HOLDING
Title: MR Year: 1955
Departure Month: 6
Departure Day: 1
Ship Name: ORONTES
Ship Departure Port: LONDON
Destination Port: SYDNEY
State: New South Wales
Country: AUSTRALIA Destination: SYDNEY
Destination Place Country: AUSTRALIA
Gender: M
Marital Status: S
Occupation: FITTER
Birth Year: 1929
Birth Month: 5
Birth Day: 29
Ship Master's First Name: ?
Ship Master's Surname: ?
City: LONDON
Ship Destination Port: AUSTRALIA
Ship Destination Country: AUSTRALIA
Number Of Passengers: 0
Category: Immigration & Travel
Record set: Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Collections from: Australia & New Zealand, United Kingdom, Ireland, United States

Address in th UK....102 Owen Street, Warrington, Lancs.

Country of intended future permanent residence: New Zealand.

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Percy Holding Name: Percy Holding
Birth Date: abt 1930
Age: 22
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 31 Jul 1952
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Brisbane
[Sydney]
[Melbourne]
[Colombo]
[Suez]
Ship Name: Ormonde
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ormonde' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 141866

Proposed Address: 102 Owen Street, Warrington, Lancs.

Occ: Fitter

This appears to be Percy.

Same address as the passengers list for Alan......


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Mr P Holding Name: Mr P Holding
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1930
Departure Date: 21 Mar 1950
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Fremantle, Australia
Ship Name: Dorsetshire
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Dorsetshire' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Line
Official Number: 143659
Master: G W Dobson

Home address 102 Owen Street, Warrington, Lancs.

Occ: Trainee Goldminer.......

Country of intended future permanent residence: Australia

I don't know if it's the same Ronald........but there is a Ronald Gallop on Facebook.

Thank you Shirley - I did not know when Elizabeth Rowson Holding died - that is another gap filled . Wow so young 53 - my dad died at 55 in his sleep - heart attack . He always said when its my time let me go in my sleep ...and he did .

His nickname was Pom and when I was young ...being his eldest all his mates nicknamed me Pom Junior !

When mum cooked Sunday Roast lunches years ago he always dipped a chunk of bread in the Roast fat , said thats what he as a kid was brought up on bread and lard ! Yuk :)

Was a perfectionist ......remember he used to soak our bike chains in coco-cola to remove the rust ! I have never been able to drink the stuff !

Really appreciate what you have sent me . Every little thing becomes so precious and how I wished I had asked many many questions .

Cheers from the other side of the globe - Sue

Found a current address for Ronald in Warrington will PM it


worth a letter to see if its the right family .

Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: HOLDING, Ivy
Registration district: Warrington
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1924
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Rowson
Volume no: 8C
Page no: 363

Civil Registration event: Marriage

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MarriageFinder: Ivy Holding married David A Gallop
Name: HOLDING, Ivy
Registration district: Warrington
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1950
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Gallop
Volume no: 10F
Page no: 1469

Name: GALLOP, David A
Registration district: Warrington
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1950
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Holding
Volume no: 10F
Page no: 1469


one son Ronald reg 1951 the birth will be on FreeBMD

Hello Shirley,

Thank you for sending the record of dad's trip to NZ . All I had was a photo of the ship and on NZ's records it just said departed Glasgow 1955 - Alan Holding .

Yes both his parents had died when he left UK ...Yes I have Elizabeths and Henrys marriage cert ..one informant was Henry's father - Henry also . Yes I knew the home address of 102 Owen St . I have dad's drivers license from England ..and a few work papers ..any army record nos ...etc all these I have tried to google and search ...

One day I will get to England ... I did make contact with a Norman Bergin who was able to help as he was related ...our great ggfathers were brothers .

Thank you - Sue

His mum ??


Civil Registration event: Death


Name: HOLDING, Elizabeth
Registration district: Warrington
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1948
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 53
Volume no: 10F
Page no: 594

Below please see the reply I got from a member 2-3 years ago ......it was the daughter Jane was a member on GR and I was able to contact her - not her mum..

Alan & Betty were registered in March 1932 (mmn Rowson) in Warrington, because their births were probably December.

Betty Holding m in Warrington 1956 Eric A A Gornett (this is a mistranscription - should be Garnett as there were no Eric Gornetts born)

They had 2 children

Jane Garnett b Bury Lancs O-D 1966 and
Guy Charles Garnett b J-S 1969 (mmn Holding)

Cannot findBetty or Eric on the ERs but so many people these days opt out of them.

But good news there has only been one Guy C Garnett ever born in England and he is living today from 1996 in Rochdale at

Guy C Garnett
Address was given but have removed for privacy sake ...

He doesnt seem to be in the BT phone book so you will have to get out your writing pad and he can tell you all about his mum.

Sue

So had his parents passed away before he emigrated ?

Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Alan HOLDING
Date of departure: 21 June 1955
Port of departure: Glasgow
Destination port: Wellington
Destination country: New Zealand
Date of Birth: 10 December 1931
Age: 24 (calculated from DOB)
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Driver
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 12 of 13
Ship: CAPTAIN HOBSON
Official Number:
Master's name: A Lonelandst
Steamship Line:
Where bound: New Zealand
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:

home address 102 Oven Street Warrington Lancs occ driver - single . intended to live in New Zealand

Hello Jan ,

Have tried the free bmd site many,many times - just did so again - no matches . I did put in mothers maiden name .

Twins went straight in my family for a no. of generations (I have twin younger sisters ). I did hear that my dad was actually a triplet but one died at birth .

Regards, Sue

i meant do you have their parents marriage cert for ages etc. Their death cert informants may be family

Hello again Detective ,

Just saw the Gornett reply - that was one of the false leads . I made contact with the daughter and again her mum's parents names were different and no twin brother Alan .

Thank you ,

Sue

Hello Shirley,

I have not been able to find any further info as her name was just listed at birthas Betty Holding of which is a very common name . Have had others contact me to say this is her marriage only to find there Betty had different parents names .

I can't get the marriage cert until I know when she married .

Hello Detective,

Yes Percy , Ernest , Ivy , Harry were among the siblings. I am not experienced at finding the more current records ...I have marriage certs of other descendants further back , but finding info on dad's siblings and even my cousins has proved really difficult . All I have of dad's past is some of his army records and photos . I know he lost his parents when really young and the Holding name is so common in Lancashire...I have emails from GR members where I sent messages going back to 2005...very few on GR are related if at all , or know very little about the Holding side . I have posted this before years back and none of the replies were related . Just thought I would try again as I did make contact with older sister Ivy married name Gallop years ago in the 1980's , but a letter was returned GNA from her address in Appleton .

Thank you all for looking . I live in hope . I must have a large family out there somewhere in England . I was told Ernest married a Marion Lomax and had two daughters Valerie and Linda ...even rang a Linda Holding to no avail.

Thanks once again - Sue Holding