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Thankyou Patchem,
I clearly have a lot to learn in how to use this site better and I have only just come across 'nudge' and 'stickies' on this forum but I am grateful for so much help.

You need to use the search boxes above to see if anyone else has members of your family in their trees.
And then you can contact them for more information.

Hello Margee,
Believe it or not Abel's first wife, the mother of his daughter Annie, was herself an Annie. It has been very confusing and, as you can see, apparently a bit naughty!!

Goodness! Thankyou all so much. I am very new to this forum so I am very pleased to get your advice. Thankyou Pat.
Wilfred was my father. His birth certificate shows his father to be Charles Sawden and his mother Annie Sawden nee King.
I struggled for a long time, without success, to find their marriage and have come to the conclusion that they never married. Would there be a need? Annie was already Mrs Sawden and, perhaps signicantly, Charles doesn't feature at all in Abel's Will and Abel was quite a wealthy man.
To add to the confusion Abel's youngest child was also an Annie and much the same age as Annie King.
I was hoping that somewhere someone might be able to fill in the period since 1911 and maybe even have a picture.

So the Annie that I found in 1891 was Abel's daughter Annie not his wife Annie, who incidentally was younger than his daughter. Didn't take long for his wife to run off with his son then? Weren't they just married in 1890?

What an interesting family, Colin!

So this is Annie (with Charles) in 1891:
1891 England Census
Annie Sawdon Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Richmond, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Scarborough
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Scarborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Scarborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Piece: 3964 Folio: 122 Page Number: 36

Mary A Buttle 56
Charles Buttle 25
Frederick Buttle 16
Annie Sawdon 24 married
Charles Sawdon 35 single

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3964; Folio 122; Page 36; GSU roll: 6099074.

Pm received:
Annie King, of 5 Belle View Parade, Scarborough, married Abel Sawden on 13 Sep 1890. One of the witnesses was Alice King but Annie's mother and sister were both called Alice so I don't know which one it was.
Abel was about 70 when they married and Annie about 24. It appears that Annie soon afterwards ran off with Abel's son Charles and had two children with him, one of whom was my father.
It is a strange story and that is why I would like to get to know more about them all. My father never spoke about his parents and it is all a bit of a mystery.

1871 England Census
John King
Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice King
Gender: Male Where born: Richmond, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary Town: Richmond County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Richmond Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 161 Piece: 4874 Folio: 78 Page Number: 28

John King 37 whitesmith All born Richmond
Alice King 37
John King 14
Mary King 11
Jane King 7
Ann King 5
Alice King 3
Harry King 1

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4874; Folio: 78; Page: 28; GSU roll: 849471.

Charles appears to be the son of Abel:
1881 England Census
Charles Sawden
Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son Father's Name: Abel Sawden
Mother's Name: Anne Sawden Gender: Male Where born: Filey, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Filey County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: West St
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Filey
ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 4801 Folio: 41 Page Number: 22

Abel Sawden 59
Anne Sawden 51
Charles Sawden 25
Annie Dinah Sawden 16
Harry Edward Sawden 10

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4801; Folio: 41; Page: 22; GSU roll: 1342159.

Is this your father?
Births Dec 1891
SAWDEN Wilfred Ernest Wakefield 9c 70

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1901 England Census
Annie Sawden
Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Sawden
Gender: Female Where born: Richmond, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Horbury Ecclesiastical parish: Horbury St Peter
Town: Horbury County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Wakefield Sub-registration district: Horbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 150 Folio: 77 Page Number: 23

Charles Sawden 47
Annie Sawden 34
Wilfred Sawden 9
Harold Sawden 7

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4287; Folio: 77; Page: 23.

1911
SAWDEN, Charles Henry Head Married M 58 1853 Bricklayer Builder Filey Yorkshire
SAWDEN, Annie Wife Married 20 years 2children born/living F 44 1867 Richmond Yorkshire
SAWDEN, Harold Illingworth Son M 17 1894 Drayman Saltaire Yorkshire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 27400 Reference: RG14PN27400 RG78PN1567 RD504 SD4 ED24 SN284
Registration District: Wakefield Sub District: Wakefield Enumeration District: 24 Parish: Wakefield
Address: 12 Blacksmith Fold Alverthorpe Wakefeld County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Margee,
I was getting confused over names, which is why I wanted Colin's Father's name if possible.

Curiously the 91 census shows Annie as a daughter of Abel:

1891 England Census
about Annie Sawden Name: Annie Sawden
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Abel Sawden
Gender: Female
Where born: Filey, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Filey
Ecclesiastical parish: Filey
Town: Filey
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Filey
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3962
Folio: 44
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Abel Sawden 67
Annie Sawden 26

Possible marriage from free bmd (free for all to search)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Sep 1890
King Annie Scarbro' 9d 528
Maeer Edwin Scarbro' 9d 528
Pearson Mary Hannah Scarbro' 9d 528
Sawden Abel Scarbro' 9d 528

What children did they have?
Thanks

Just for info

Name: Annie Sawden
Birth Date: abt 1866
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 38

Annie was my grandmother. She died in 1938 in Yorkshire. Her Father was John King, a whitesmith by trade. She had, I believe, 5 siblings including a sister called Alice. I never knew her so I am trying to find out more about her and her life. Can you help, please?