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Thanks, Bob for writing the mucky version out - here was me trying to be genteel and lady-like!!

Or there is the version used in the "Christmas Truce" scene in OH WHAT A LOVELY WAR. It was Christmas Day in the cookhouse, the happiest day of the year Men's hearts were full of gladness and their bellies full of beer When up spoke Private Shorthouse, his face as bold as brass, Saying, "We don't want your Christmas pudding, you can stick it up your . . . "Tidings of comfort and joy, comfort and joy, oh, tidings of comfort and joy . . . " It was Christmas Day in the hareem, the eunuchs were standing 'round And hundreds of beautiful women were stretched out on the ground When in strolled the bulb-head sultan, and gazed on his marble halls Saying "What do you want for Christmas, boys?" And the eunuchs answered . . . "Tidings of comfort and joy, comfort and joy, oh, tidings of comfort and joy . . . "

Hi Debbie, That was a very moving poem which I have now read for the first time. thank you lindy

Never heard of the poem until you put it on here but knew the saying when having a moan about something - puts that into context. Been trying to find a 7 year old who was in the workhouse in 1881 census, perhaps she had one good meal a year. Remember looking at workhouses as a history topic at school but never really understood what it meant. Will count my blessings over and over and remember the 'inmates' in a different light now.

An old, old story, but still valid today. Hate to be depressing, but look at the glitz and glamour of the White House, ablaze with thousands of lights on hundreds of Christmas trees, and then think of the countless homeless, sleeping under bridges, in shop doorways, and over heating vents, if they're lucky. Same here, Houses of Parliament all lit up and kids sleeping on the streets downtown, and probably the same there in England.

Please remind me of the mucky one. Ive been trying to remember it all week and everyone at work thought I was mad Mary

Thanks for that version, Debbie. With my 'decent' upbringing, I only know the mucky version. (For those who don't know it, enter first line in 'google')

In the Workhouse: Christmas Day by George R. Sims It is Christmas Day in the Workhouse, And the cold bare walls are bright With garlands of green and holly, And the place is a pleasant sight For with clean-washed hands and faces, In a long and hungry line The paupers sit at the tables For this is the hour they dine. And the guardians and their ladies, Although the wind is east, Have come in their furs and wrappers, To watch their charges feast; To smile and be condescending, Put pudding on pauper plates, To be hosts at the workhouse banquet They've paid for -- with their rates. Oh, the paupers are meek and lowly With their "Thank'ee kindly, mum's" So long as they fill their stomachs, What matter it whence it comes? But one of the old men mutters, And pushes his plate aside: "Great God!" he cries; "but it chokes me! For this is the day she died." The guardians gazed in horror, The master's face went white; "Did a pauper refuse the pudding?" Could their ears believe aright? Then the ladies clutched their husbands, Thinking the man would die, Struck by a bolt, or something, By the outraged One on high. But the pauper sat for a moment, Then rose 'mid a silence grim, For the others had ceased to chatter And trembled in every limb. He looked at the guardians' ladies, Then, eyeing their lords, he said, "I eat not the food of villains Whose hands are foul and red: Whose victims cry for vengeance From their dank, unhallowed graves." "He's drunk!" said the workhouse master, Or else he's mad and raves." "Not drunk or mad," cried the pauper, "But only a hunted beast, Who, torn by the hounds and mangled, Declines the vulture's feast. "Keep your hands off me, curse you! Hear me right out to the end. You come here to see how paupers The season of Christmas spend. You come here to watch us feeding, As they watch the captured beast. Hear why a penniless pauper Spits on your paltry feast. "Do you think I will take your bounty, And let you smile and think You're doing a noble action With the parish's meat and drink? Where's my wife, you traitors -- The poor old wife you slew? Yes, by the God above us, My Nance was killed by you! "Last winter my wife lay dying, Starved in a filthy den; I had never been to the parish, -- I came to the parish then. I swallowed my pride in coming, For, ere the ruin came, I held up my head as a trader, And I bore a spotless name. "I came to the parish, craving Bread for a starving wife, Bread for the woman who'd loved me Through fifty years of life; And what do you think they told me, Mocking my awful grief? That the House' was open to us, But they wouldn't give out relief.' "I slunk to the filthy alley -- 'Twas a cold, raw Christmas eve -- And the bakers' shops were open, Tempting a man to thieve; But I clenched my fists together, Holding my head awry, So I came to her empty-handed And mournfully told her why. "Then I told her 'the House' was open; She had heard of the ways of that, For her bloodless cheeks went crimson, And up in her rags she sat, Crying, 'Bide the Christmas here, John, We've never had one apart; I think I can bear the hunger, -- The other would break my heart.' "All through that eve I watched her, Holding her hand in mine, Praying the Lord, and weeping, Till my lips were salt as brine. I asked her once if she hungered, And as she answered 'No,' The moon shone in at the window Set in a wreath of snow. "Then the room was bathed in glory, And I saw in my darling's eyes The far-away look of wonder That comes when the spirit flies; And her lips were parched and parted, And her reason came and went Forshe raved of our home in Devon, Where our happiest years were spent. "And the accents long forgotten, Came back to the tongue once more, For she talked like the country lassie I woo'd by the Devon shore. Then she rose to her feet and trembled, And fell on the rags and moaned And, 'Give me a crust – I’m famished – For the love of God!' she groaned. "I rushed from the room like a madman, And flew to the workhouse gate, Crying, 'Food for a dying woman!' And the answer came, 'Too late.' They drove me away with curses; Then I fought with a dog in the street, And tore from the mongrel's clutches A crust he was trying to eat. "Back, through the filthy by-lanes! Back, through the trampled slush! Up to the crazy garret, Wrapped in an awful hush. My heart sank down at the threshold, And I paused with a sudden thrill, For there in the silv'ry moonlight My Nance lay, cold and still. "Up to the blackened ceiling The sunken eyes were cast -- I knew on those lips all bloodless My name had been the last; She’d called for her absent husband - - O God! had I but known! -- Had called in vain, and in anguish Had died in that den -- alone. "Yes, there, in a land of plenty, Lay a loving woman dead, Cruelly starved and murdered For a loaf of the parish bread. At yonder gate, last Christmas, I craved for a human life. You, who would feast us paupers, What of my murdered wife! -- Boyd Debbie

Someone sent this to me via another list, today. I could feel myself welling up when I read it!