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Thank You all for your replies. Searching a2a has been a long slow process but i think it may yet yeild some suprises!! So thanks for all the ideas. Regards Tammy

Tammy I just typed a massive long reply to your query - it vanished when I tried to send it! But, in brief, go to a2a and look for removal orders for your lot, its a big pain to search but honestly well worth the effort. It doesnt have soundex so you will have to search every spelling of the names that you can think of, or you could just search for removal orders. Good luck! Marjorie

Hi Guys, Thanks for your replies and suggestions. Unfortunately being from Aus i havent had a chance to get into the parish records for Manchester and i have been relying a bit on the bmd indexes and records. My Emma Woolford, was born in the workhouse and has shown up in all the census records as being there, Her eventual husband* Edwin Thornton Showed up in the workhouse in 1891. In 1881 Emma Woolford had a child while unmarried (father unknown) in the workhouse, in 1884 Emma had another child this time called Lily Thornton, Lilly's birth certificate says lang Street and Emma Thornton formerly Woolford as the mother. There were 2 further children both with Emma Thornton / Edwin Thornton given as mother and father. Further adding to the mystery, Emma Thornton formerly woolford is also listed on Edwin's death certificate as his wife, and in the 1891 Census both Edwin and Emma have their status listed as married whilst residing in the Crumpsall workhouse. Further problems arise with Lily's marriage to a Walter Beven of whom both were in the workhouse during 1891 and 1901. They had a child in 1904 again it appears on the birth certifs that they were married but no marriages actually show up. I was wondering if people who married whilst being residents of a workhouse were required to register their marriage within the civil registration process or if they registered with the workhouse and they in turn were supposed to pass the information on. Im afraid i may be just grasping at straws a little. Thanks so much for the help so far and i hope the above may be able to show the situation that i have stumbled upon Tammy

My ancestors born in the workhouse were actually baptised, and would be buried, in the parish to which they belonged, which was sometimes deeply inconvenient to the workhouse. While you were actually in the workhouse, men and women were separated. There were no such things as married quarters, so they would be unlikely to be married while they actually were there. If the records survive, there may be settlement examinations on admission which might give you a clue as to where they come from. Brenda

No help to anyone at all, but I was actually born in Crumpsall Workhouse, which was turned into a Maternity Hospital after the War. The address on my birth cert reads "Delauneys Road", no mention of the Workhouse bit.

hi tammy In the case of Oldham workhouse when people got married from there their address was given as Rochdale Road and not the Workhouse. which was on Rochdale Road So this could be the case for Crumpsall workhouse where an address was given and not the workhouse Bren

Have you checked the parish registers of the nearest church? That is where I found a record in a similar situation. Beware of birth certificates leading you to think there was a previous marriage. Sometimes the mother was listed as' formerly NAME' to appear respectable but a marriage could be much later, if at all.

Could anyone help me out with tracking a couple of marriages of persons in crumpsall workhouse during the 1800's. I am wondering if anyone knows if and how marriages between "inmates" were carried out or recorded! I have three members of the same family all met their respective spouses in the workhouse but there is no records of them ever marrying! The later childrens birth certifs show that the members were married but im at a loss to find the actual events taking place. Did these people actually get married, are the records lost somewhere, or were the events never recorded???? Any help would be much appreciated Tammy