General Chat

Did she still have the ring, Dermot?

Possibly a legend with a ring of truth

I believe that by the end of the 12-week waiting period, the original first vaccination still offers protection but it loses a little of its efficacy. That protection is well-boosted once that second jab is done.

I'd be happier if there were 6 to 8 weeks between them, though. That would mean the at risk groups would not have to wait so long for that extra bit of protection while, at the same time, more people can be protected.

I'd be well pleased if they decided to return to three to four weeks between the jabs.

I wonder if they are going to tell us about changing the time-scale tonight? I wonder because if they're having difficulty getting a good supply of the vaccine as they seem to be at the moment they may be running scared that if a shortage occurs again it may mean that those waiting for their second dose may run beyond 12 weeks.

All supposed that they've thought about that, of course. :-S

Gruesome

After succumbing to a fever of some sort in 1705, Irish woman Margorie McCall was hastily buried to prevent the spread of whatever had done her in.

Margorie was buried with a valuable ring, which her husband had been unable to remove due to swelling. This made her an even better target for body snatchers, who could cash in on both the corpse and the ring.

The evening after Margorie was buried, before the soil had even settled, the grave-robbers showed up and started digging. Unable to pry the ring off the finger, they decided to cut the finger off. As soon as blood was drawn, Margorie awoke from her coma, sat straight up and screamed.

The fate of the grave-robbers remains unknown. One story says the men dropped dead on the spot, while another claims they fled and never returned to their chosen profession.

Margorie climbed out of the hole and made her way back to her home. Her husband John, a doctor, was at home with the children when he heard a knock at the door. He told the children, “If your mother were still alive, I’d swear that was her knock.”

When he opened the door to find his wife standing there, dressed in her burial clothes, blood dripping from her finger but very much alive, he dropped dead to the floor. He was buried in the plot Margorie had vacated.

Margorie went on to re-marry and have several children. When she did finally die, she was returned to Shankill Cemetery in Lurgan, Ireland, where her gravestone still stands. It bears the inscription “Lived Once, Buried Twice.”

I read that too, Ann.
If the 'powers that be' don't know - how are we mere mortals meant to know?

I was aware of the views of both nameless one and AnnX. And I have read that several times now.
The only thing I am mildly concerned about is the large gap of 12 weeks between jabs. I read yesterday that (and I don't remember his name) a high up scientist but not Vallance said that 6 weeks would probably work with the Pfizer but he felt 12 weeks was too long and pushing it a bit. And there was a female medical person who held more or less the same view. They were calling on the government to have a re-think.

I suppose this is all new to everyone so it becomes trial and error. But the female was concerned that people (and I am one of them) have been given an injection in a 'trial' that they have not signed up to.

I heard exactly the same as you Nameless one. It's been said by a few medical advisers now. Those 3 weeks are the time it takes to reach it's most effectiveness to protect you. They have also said that after both jabs people will still need to continue with the rules of handwashing, social distancing and wearing masks for the foreseeable. The reasons are firstly to still stop you spreading the virus, as you can still spread it eg from touching things that others have contaminated with the virus. They are also not sure yet whether after vaccination, although you may not then become ill with the virus yourself, you can still pass it on. Not enough is known yet.

The benefits of at least giving more people the first dose means that more people are less likely to become so ill if they do get the virus and so less will die, which is good. This will also reduce hospital admissions and help the NHS to cope.

I agree. We were told to continue as before, and not to assume that everything would be fine just because we'd had one dose.

Well, hence the confusion!!! :-D :-D :-D

I thought after the jab you shielded if that is what you were doing, isolated if that was what you were doing or followed the three rules. If you worked you carried on the same careful way you were already (hopefully) doing.

Right hand left hand.......


:-D.

so much more I could add but best not to appear to be bragging..... ;-)

So I've read, Kay.
Confusing isn't it?
So you stay at home, unless you're front line staff?
In which case employers can insist workers go to work!

NHS staff are getting the vaccine while on duty and carrying on with their shift.....some when a shift is finished or before. then back to work next day /night/

It's been said here all along, by Trudeau and provincial leaders as well as the Public Health Officers that we should still isolate after the first dose, and possibly for at least a week afterwards the second.

I was really pleased when daughter was in day care, so over 40 years ago, that the staff let the children with whatever they wanted, no girls do this, boys do that. Daughter had a huge collection of those tiny Dinkie (and other makes) cars and trucks, loved Meccano, etc!


I taught in England for 2½ years at a girls' grammar school in one of the counties that still had the old-style ones. We got a new head mistress after my first 2 terms, she was a bit of a weird choice for that school in that she had come from an inner city London school to a VERY rural area. The first thing she wanted to do was set up an Pet Animal Club, which had gone down very well at her previous school.

Yeah right ........... rats and white rabbits in cages to be kept with a population of girls, about 90% of whom had at least dogs, if not horses, cows, pigs and what have you. Holidays were a REAL problem as no-one wanted to take them home! Why a white rat when you can go out riding, or play with 10 dogs??

She also wanted to learn how to play Polo, as "this area was a centre of the game" :-S :-S

However, my introduction to what was really going on, having had my own suspicions, was in the summer term just before I left, when one of my Lower 6th students asked to talk to me confidentially. Uh oh!! But not the usual ............. she wanted to know what it meant when 2 women played footie under the table.

She'd had been on a day field trip where the Head Mistress and the Head of Religious Studies had been the chaperones, and had been seated at the table where the two started their little game.

They both stayed at that school until retirement about 20 years later, when they moved to another house in a nearby village.

When daughter was in school, again an all girls school but one that went from Garde 1 to Grade 12, the girls knew from the beginning of the Senior School that 2 of the teachers lived together. It meant nothing to them, and never seemed to bother any parents either. That was just what it was! Great!

I first read of Tony Blair asking why the second dose could not be delayed to enable more of the public to get some immunity quicker than they would have done.

Whether it was his idea, a scientist frine or whoever ????

Also, I did read somewhere that he or someone was thinking he could throw his hat into the political ring again!!!! It escapes my mind exactly where that little gem came from.

Frightening, isn't it? :-( :-0

People should be reminded about staying in when they get the vaccine.

Another question. Initially they said the second dose would be after 3 weeks - would this be because that was when they were due to get the second vaccine?
Now the Government has decided 12 weeks is okay (despite there being no scientific evidence for this), doesn't this mean people should actually 'self isolate' for 12 weeks?

...and there's still no decision on how those who don't get sick pay survive.

Sorry to disagree Maggie but it has been always known that you didn’t get any

immunity for about three weeks after the vaccination. Jonathan Van Tam said that at

one of the press conferences sometime ago. He has reiterated it again today and

suggested that people are not taking notice of advice that has been given.

Surely we were told ages ago that we didn’t get any immunity from the jab for about three weeks. In my book that means continuing to follow the rules. Even after the second jab there is a delay.

The problem is, Joyouise, the staying at home for 3 weeks after vaccination, has only just been declared by Johnson - with (obviously) nothing in place for those who will lose pay.

When I was first a LSA, in the late 80's, not only was the head living with her girlfriend - the deputy head was, too :-D :-D :-D

There was one little 5 year old - who became close friends with my younger daughter, who was gorgeous - and as camp as Dick Emery - but, no-one from that school - even the toughest bully, ever teased him.
He is still gorgeous, gay - and proud of it! <3 <3 <3

I remember reading some academic, declaring that boys should be able to wear what they wanted from the nursery/school dressing up box.
No mention of girls!
I deduced she'd never had children - or even worked with them.
The last thing anyone's got time to do is monitor the dressing up box!!
'Dressing up' time is when they're left to their own devices whilst those in charge take a deep breath :-D :-D

Maggie, according to my brother, I should stay away from others for at least three weeks after the second dose.

It was printed in some scientific journal he still gets even though he is retired - as was information about variants in October.

I am pretty sure I posted that advice on one thread or another a while ago because, of course, our ministers tend to keep us in the dark until they are sprung by one journalist or another then they have to come clean.

Genders is a funny one. I recall my dtr and I disagreed about one aspect when my younger grandson came home from primary school a few years ago telling us what he had learned about numbers of genders etc. He is in 3rd form senior now so it was a good few years ago - possibly when he was about 8 or 9 (as you wrote) so it has been taught for a few years - perhaps it's the first time a DM journalist has heard about it.

One story arose from this which had dtr and me falling about laughing - so typical of an older sibling fed up with a younger one.

For some time one of grandson's classmates had told them that he was gay ....... until he learned what it meant! Apparently his older brother had told him that he was gay. The younger one, having no idea what it meant, had believed it. :-D