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Anyone know about child support. My daughter ex has said he will not pay child support as he has no money. She when to court with him over his children about 4 years ago. since then he got married has 2 more children and got a pub with his wife. He saying that he has no money to pay for his children with my daughter now that he has 2 children with his wife. He also starting saying that the pub in his wife name and her father name. i told my daughter to go back to court as he not seen his children for a long time child A does not wont to see him but child B does wont to see him when he was told his son wont to see him he told us to put him on a train a child with health problem.No way can we do that . He has said he not spending money to come and see him

All of your ex income including that of his new wife will be taken into account in working out how much he should pay you. It doesn't matter if he sees the children or not. Liability goes on until 18 or longer if at uni. or FE.

Depending on your situation you may be eligible for legal aid.
In any case you need to make an appointment with CAB urgently.

The court can make an attachment of earnings order which can be applied either to your ex account o that of his wife. There is a time limit on recovery of arrears so get to it.

Everything Rollo says, Sandra. Your daughter needs to hop to it.

Thank You . Last time she when to court we payed for a lawyer for her we are happy to do again if we need to . He does play silly games her ex . He does things like telling child B he does not have to do what we tell him when we are looking after him as we are just his grandparents or he tell him thing like you do not have to take your meds that Liverpool children hospital have given him . He is making life so hard . I think the court will not be pleased with him when all this come out

There are some terrible exes out there.

Hope your daughter can get this sorted out and child B can be helped to accept his father isn't good news.

Lizx

If they are not willing to pay for their children
why have them and even worse

why have more

I feel for your Daughter and her children :-( :-(

thanks everyone . He now saying my daughter not letting him see child B as she will not put on a train on his own he has health problem. The court order which was made about 3 years ago says that he has to collect him and bring him home .

He can't defy the court order then surely?

My ex SIL went off with lady next door who also married with kids but with different dads !!

She and him knew how to play the system to evade support for his natural kids whilst he took on her with her kids with different fathers

Every time the CSA went after him he left his job so appeared with no income although daughter knew he was working and supporting HERand her kids

They play the system



SIL was eventually caught up with back support but it was too little too late

We stepped in to help our daughter with bills etc and did big shops for clothes and shoes for the kids.

In his case the woman he hooked up with and married and eventually divorced was the driving force to exclude his kids so he could provide for her and HER kids

There are plenty of ways of making sure that payments are met and court orders obeyed.
If you have to resort to legal action then yr ex can be made to pay towards the costs up to 100%.

nb: the CSA has been phased out for new cases

https://www.gov.uk/csa-changes

Sent to my somebody who calculated the payments

What Rollo has said is very wrong. They will not take your ex son in law wifes income in to account, only his gross income from the past 12 mths, as long as child benefit is in payment and the children are in full time education he may have to pay child maintenance up till their 20th birthday. If the children go to Uni then child benefit will ceased and he will not have to pay child maintenance as they will have a student loan and will classed as adults. *

I think they do take new partner's/spouse's income into account as Rollo says - as long as they are living together under one roof, that's the crux of the matter. I also think that any arrears have to be paid too.

As far as uni allowance is concerned, again they take into account all income of parents and LIVE-IN partners and certain outgoings, such as upkeep of other children before deciding on the allowance for the student.

As a general example - one student child may get £2000 a year if the parents' income is high while another could get £6000 if parents' income is low. If parents are really comfortably off, the student gets no allowance, only course fees which richer parents often pay rather than letting the debt mount up. It would seem to me that this would indicate that parents are expected to pay for the upkeep of their student children.

Given that rent often comes in above £4000, with food and other necessary bills on top of that, even with a part-time job (with hours limited by course requirements) a student with a £2000 annual maintenance allowance would need top-ups from somewhere and given that parents' incomings and certain outgoings have been taken into account when deciding on the allowance, it would appear that it is expected that parents cough up.

This is why it is more of a struggle through uni for children from poorer backgrounds. Still worth going though - shown why on that Money Show a week or two ago.

As a last resort, the student child can, of course, approach the courts to claim from parents. Ever thought of that?

***It doesn't matter if a new partner is earing thousands a week,,,,,their wages are not taken into account ---% is only calculated on the birth parents take home income.,****

If a child stays with the paying partner .-ie nights a week.that also is taken into account and the ex--partner gets even less of a %,holidays don't count.

Rule changed in abt 2004/5.


Regards this post,only the right people can try and credit your daughter with anything that is due in support of any children,,,,,they are the ones she must get intouch with.

Didn't know the rules had changed at all! I'm guessing you mean live-in partners, Kay.

I do know that in 2016/17 the income of parents and live-in partners/spouses was taken into account when uni allowance was calculated for students though.

Sandra's daughter should certainly go through the right department because there may be even more changes afoot and they're the people who ought to have first-hand knowledge. I expect that she already has done so.

No Joy even a wife....her income isn't taken in to account...….she/him is not responsible towards any up-keep of children a spouse may have...


.although in the end if he/she is left with a little amount after any C/M has been paid the house income is going to sub him/her so to speak. :-D :-D



Uni is a different road...…..

Thanks Kay. Did not know about the change. Will now check whether uni things have changed in the last year or two as perhaps they, too, have done so.

Just goes to show, we're never too old to learn - not yet, anyway!