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Hiya...my gg grandfather Daniel Oakes married Marianne Merrick in 1874 in St Michaels church,Garston,Liverpool...this was his Second marriage....I have them on the 1881 and 1891 census at 10 banks rd garston.....I`ve found out that Daniel married Ann Evason from Kidderminster in 1871 but sadly Ann died in 1873...i`m trying to find out if they had any children and where they were in the 1871 census....any tips...i`m going to try and find Worcestershire BMD`s.....any info would help...thanks...and merry xmas...allan

If they married after April 71 they wont be together on the 71 census unless they were living together before they married and already had kids. How do you know Ann was from Kidderminster?

Have you got the first marriage cert? What are their parents names? What are Dan and Anns years of birth?

This is the first marriage, so should be on the 1871 together

Name: Daniel Oakes
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 136

1881 census for reference

Name: Daniel Oakes
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Neston, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Garston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 10 Banks Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Blacksmith

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Oakes 31
Daniel Oakes 1
Ellen Maria Oakes 6
Mary Ann Oakes 28
Thomas Walter Oakes 7
William Ed. Oakes 4

thanks heather....Daniel was b 1849 in Neston,the wirral(cheshire)...i can`t remember who,but someone sent me the details of Daniels first marriage....and also,anns death..she went home to die in Kidderminster.....allan

Blimey thats lucky if they married prior to the census! But again, unlikely any kids will have been born immediately. :)

just been on Worcs bmd`s....17 births for oakes in 71/72/73.....but don`t know which area Kidderminster comes under...anyone any idea??...allan

1871 living 9 Gladstone Road, Dan is a blacksmith

Name: Daniel Oakes
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Garston
Ecclesiastical parish: Halewood St Nicholas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Oakes 25
Daniel Oakes 21


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This looks like them in 1871

Name: Daniel Oakes
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Garston
Ecclesiastical parish: Halewood St Nicholas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 9 Gladstone Road

Occupation: Blacksmith

Condition as to marriage: Married

Disability: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Oakes 25 b Kidderminster.
Daniel Oakes 21 Blacksmith

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The 1871 shows them on there own as per my posting above - do you want them earlier? Not sure why you are looking in Kidderminster for the births? They didnt live there did they?

You probably have this:

1861: Dad is a master blacksmith (3 boys) - have you checked for a will at all?

Daniel Oakes
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Hellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Little Neston, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Poulton Cum Spittle
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Eastham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 244
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Anyan 7
Ann Oakes 1
Daniel Oakes 11
Hellen Oakes 42
James E S Oakes 5
Mary Oakes 8
Samuel Oakes 14
Thomas Oakes 43
Thomas Oakes 18
William Oakes 19

thanks everyone....daniel and ann (evason) in 1871..and daniel and marianne(mary ann) in 1881....it was the 1871 census i wanted...thanks very much...I`m led to believe that Ann went home to Kidderminster to die....i`m trying to find out if daniel and ann had any children...regards...allan

Well there is only that short window between April 1871 and her death which you say is 1873. Have you bought her death cert in case it was anything to do with child birth? As I said above, why are you looking for births in Kidderminster? Would they not have had any kids in Garston? Have you checked with the grandparents in 1881 to see if any oakes kids are with them?

thanks again ,heather..i`ve gone back to 1754-Ralph Oakes ,backford,cheshire with my tree....its just that there seems to be a void regarding daniel and ann...if she went home to kidderminster to die..when?...checking kidderminster deaths on bmd....allan

no sign of anns death in liverpool or kidderminster... added

Hi, have you discounted this one?? Looks right to me.

Deaths Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Oakes Ann 26 Kidderminster 6c 155

thanks very much heather....couldn`t find that on bmd`s...regards..allan

i`m just looking at one of heathers postings regarding `condition of marriage` disability- view image...can anyone explain what this means please???...does it mean ann was diabled??.regards..allan

Hi Alan, no it does not necessarily mean Ann was disabled, it is just part of the transcription process, to find out if she actually was disabled, you usually have to view the image, there is a column on the right for disablilities ie deaf/blind/dumb etc, sometimes seen imbecile.

could anyone tell me if there`s a site i could find the babtism records for st michaels church in garston,liverpool...this is where daniel married the 2nd time,so it stands to reason if daniel and ann were in garston in 1771 census,they would have registered any birth/death of a child at st michaels...this is still our family church....allan