Genealogy Chat

I am feeling totally defeated by all this, my brain has turned to mush, i can't think straight anymore. a couple of days ago some fabulous members helped me to get the census records for the williams family in battle.

I was told by my grandfather that his mother was one of 15 surviving children, so far i have 13 of them, mostly born in mountfield sussex ( 3 miles from Battle) I know that both their parents had died before 1918, have found mothers death in 1912 aged 50. Cannot find fathers death anywhere. his name was George W Williams according to census born 1862 in Lambeth. I can't find a birth either some in other years but not 62.

Also found three of the childrens marriages in Battle. Robert,Adelaide and Jane, but can find no others at all.

now this is difficult to explain and sounds silly. my grandfather's Mother was a williams. my grandmother's mother was a holloway. i have found a holloway and a williams marrying in battle in 1915. although i have neither 1st names in my tree i want to see if they are connected to my family.

i wondered if somebody might try to help me regain my brain power and stop going round in circles by attempting to find the missing links. George W Williams birth (c.1862 in Lambeth) and his death sometime between 1906 and 1918 possibly in battle. also any marriages of williams in Battle.

i live in hope and thanks to all the people who have helped me already. i know its a big ask and very muddled i am so desparate to sort this now. thanks. Leanne.x

(childrens names to follow)

Robert G Williams brn 1882 Marriage battle 1904

Jane Williams (1884) marriage 1909.

Adelaide Williams (1886) marriage 1905

Albert Williams (1896-1892)

Constance Williams (1889)

Gilbert Williams (1890)

Sidney Williams(1893)

Horace Williams(1894)

Ivy Williams (1895-1901)

Eva Williams (1896-1989) my ancestor married Gannaway 1919

Elsie Williams (1898)

Gretchen Williams(1900)

Daisy Williams (1906)

Do you know what George W Williams parents were called?

can you past the census details for him.

1901 for ref

Name: Gilbert Williams
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George W
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Mountfield, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Mountfield
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Mountfield
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England


Registration district: Battle
Sub-registration district: Battle
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Adelaide Williams 15
Constance Williams 12
Elsie Williams 2
Eva Williams 4
George W Williams 39
Gilbert Williams 10
Gretchen Williams 1
Horace Williams 7
Ivy Williams 6
Jane Williams 39
Sydney Williams 8

and 1891 - by which time they were in Mountfield -

Name: Constance Williams
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George W
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Mountfield, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Mountfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Mountfield
Town: Mountfield
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Battle
Sub-registration district: Battle
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Adeliade Williams 5 <sussex
Albert E Williams 4 <Sussex
Constance Williams 2
George W Williams 29
Gilbert Williams 6/12
Jane Williams 28
Jane Williams 7
Robert G Williams 9

George says born Camden
Jane - wife- lambeth
older children = Lambeth too

are the children you pasted the children of George W Williams?

sorry yes the children are those of George W williams and his wife Jane. GR members found them on census as i don't have ancestry, do you want me to copy them from the other old thread for reference. i don't know george's parents but he was born in Lambeth.

how do u know he was born in lambeth?

on the census for 1901 he gives camden town?

sorry. no you're right i was looking at Jane his wife. Jane was Lambeth and George was Camden. ah that may explain why i couldn't fins his nirth. so sorry. as i said it's just completely confused in my head. sorry again.

i wonder if this could be him in 1881

Name: George W. Williams
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 42 Wootton St
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Lawyer

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brown 67
Thomas Timberlah 21
Elizabeth Williams 44
Emma Williams 7
George W. Williams 19
Georgina Williams 9
Henry Williams 45
Joseph T. Williams 22
Sarah C. Williams 12
William J. Williams 14

I would say you need to order the certificate of George W Williams marriage to Jane, to get the name and occupation of his father and work from there.

where/when did George & Jane marry = next step

Ok sure. then atleast it will confirm if the 1881 census there is him. thanks i will do that in the next few days. thanks for having a look for me. :)

leanne.

here is the reference:

Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
GARDINER Matilda Lambeth 1d 774 Scan available - click to view
HARKNETT George Lambeth 1d 774 Scan available - click to view
HARPER Jane Lambeth 1d 774 Scan available - click to view
Williams George William Lambeth 1d 774

if you order the certificate from the GRO it will give you both George and Jane's fathers name plus their occupation.

Hi could this be him? found this entry on the freebmd site

Deaths Jun 1917

Williams George W 54 Hastings 2b 64


Hevi

i think i have found an entry on freebmd for a George william williams and a jane harper. that atleast would tie in with the date of their first child's birth in 82.

o thanks siobhan,

you got there before me. thanks heather. i had though he may have died earlier than that as my grandfather beleived she was bought up by her older sisters. well thank you for finding it for me. has cleared up another mystery. is hastings close to battle?

it is - what you really need to do is order one of the childrens birth certs too - just to check janes maiden name

nice distinctive one would be best

Name: Gretchen Williams
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Battle
County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 58

if you look at the 1881 census entry I pasted for a George W Williams, he is in Lambeth and he married Jane Harper in the last quarter of 1881 in Lambeth,

so it is quite likely that it is him, but the marriage certificate will confirm 100%

this may well be the Jane in 1881, living in the same sub registration district as George W Williams

Name: Jane Harper
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 7 Cornwall Rd
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Military Embroiderer

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edith Harper 7
Elizabeth Harper 20
Elizabeth M. Harper 44
Jane Harper 18
Louisa Harper 15
Lydia Harper 9
Mable Harper 2
Mary Harper 22
Robert Harper 45
Samuel Harper 11
William Harper 4

not sure how close wootten street is to cornwall road in Lambeth.

ok great. thank you both. yes gretchen is a fairly distictive name. thanks for all your help. 1 more question. any idea how i can find any of the childrens marriages. as its a fairly common surname and they can't all have stayed in the same place do you have any ideas how to narrow the search if all i know is their name not where their living or a spouse?

thanks agin.leanne.