Genealogy Chat

I recently ordered some certificates. i found a number of births and marriages on freebmd i thought i could place with my fagan family.

i know they were living in Kingston in 1887. i found the marriage of a John Andrew Fagan on freebmd and ordered, it has arrived today and allcorrect. however there was a birth about a year later also in Kingston of a John Fagan, i thought probable this was his son, but when the cert arrived the father is a John Thomas Fagan and completely different mother.

Also ordered marriage of Jane Fagan 1906 with checking point as fathers name (adam) however got reply that this was not fathers name on cert. janes father was deceased in 1906 so could she have not put him on there? i know there is another Fagan Family living in Kingston at the same time, a "phantom family" with almost identical names? i was hoping they may have been related to my family but Adam came to england between 1837 and 1851 from Ireland and i don't know how to trace any of his siblings.

am i seeing everything other than the obvious or would this confuse anybody? afterall Fagan is not a very common name. Any Halp would be greatly appreciated. i am going around in circles!

Leanne.x

please? :)

The following for reference only...

1891
Name: John Fagan
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Adam
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Kingston
Ecclesiastical parish: Evan St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Adam Fagan 55
Albert Fagan 15
Charlie Fagan 1
James Fagan 18
Jane Fagan 42
Jane Fagan 4
John Fagan 15

1901
Name: Adam Fagan
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Newry, Ireland

Civil Parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston on Thames St John the Evangelist
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Adam Fagan 63
Charles W Fagan 11
Jane Fagan 52
Jane A Fagan 15
John A Fagan 25
Joseph Shrosbra 18

The other family....
1901
Name: John Fagan
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Westmeath, Ireland

Civil Parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston on Thames St John the Evangelist
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 220
Household Members: Name Age
Doris Davidson 4
Douglas Davidson 8
Gordon Davidson 13
Harold Davidson 12
Kathleen Davidson 10
Mary Davidson 42
Septimus Davidson 40
Cecilia Fagan 6
Eliza Fagan 34
Frederick Fagan 4
John Fagan

Kingston lifecycles Database on Kingston uni website has Jane Ann Fagan's marriage to Arthur Strutt on 07/08/1909 at All Saints' church Kingston, bride's father Adam Fagan.

Leanne

Maybe the cert you ordered for Jane had a father named as John, the second family, which is why they did not send it.

Have you traced the 'phantom' family back to see if they also have a Jane?

Chris

Judith has found it! :)

Chris

thanks chris, i had my fagan's but not the others, do you think they could be connected afterall there aren't that many fagans and i do have some really similar names. i have a frederick and a john.

thanks again.

oh thank you judith, that's really helpful. no i haven't traced the other family. ok great. will order the cert and take a look at the kingston lifecycle site.

thanks to both of you.
:)

Judith

Is that website only available to Uni members?
I tried 'Google' and got into a site but although I get the search facility it won't give results.

Chris

No, its a public site. Try this address:
http://localhistory.kingston.ac.uk/database/LocalHistoryForm.asp

Judith

Many thanks for the link.

I have a married in line for a Great Aunt that it may turn out to be a useful site for :)

Chris

Judith that was a really useful site. thanks ever so much. jane's husband is on there along with his parents and brthers and sisters. :) great site. the other fagan family aren't on there though.

oh well will have to find them elsewhere.

thanks to both of you.