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Hello everyone, this is my first post though I've often read the boards - hope someone can help.

My great-great-grandfather, Austin Boothby, was born in London in 1820. I know that his father was called William. The only William Boothby I have been able to find of the right age is a Sir William Boothby on the 1841 census. Unfortunately he appears to be at a gentlemen's club or something at the time of the census and I cannot confirm any of his family's names.

Now, whilst I doubt he is my ancestor, it would be nice to check it out! I assume that if he's a "Sir" there must be a record of him somewhere - can someone point me in the right direction? A google has been fruitless thus far.

Thanks in advance,

Susan

Have you got the marriage certificate from Austin's marriage. this will tell you about his father's occupation.

Also, check the IGI for Austin's baptism. There are several siblings in the same Batch Number.

Pete

Who did Austin marry and when? How do you know dad is William? Have you got Austins marriage cert? What is Austins occupation - is it the sort of occupation likely for the son of a Lord?Can you not find Austin on any census?

Do you have this? Is it a relative?

Medal card of Boothby, Austin J
Corps Regiment No Rank
3rd County of London Yeomanry 266313 Private
Machine Gun Corps 150812 Private

Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/2
Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
Piece Barnes C E - Boundy C E
Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection


Is this your Austin - paper hanger and decorator?1861
Name: Austin Boothby
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Anne Westmr

Civil Parish: Westminster St Anne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
Austin Boothby 42
Austin Boothby 14
Edward Boothby 2
Emily Boothby 7 Mo
France Boothby 7
Frederick Boothby 8
Henry Boothby 5
Jessie Boothby 10
Mary Boothby 35
William Boothby 13


1871: same job

Name: Austin Boothby
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Anns, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Giles in The Fields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles in the Fields
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles, North
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 403
Household Members: Name Age
Austin Boothby 50
Austin Boothby 24
Edward Boothby 12
Emily Boothby 10
Frances Boothby 17
Frederick Boothby 19
Henry Boothby 15
Mary Boothby 44

I do have the cert, but it doesn't give his father's occupation - instead there is just a dash.

I have Austin's siblings already - thanks :) Maybe I should get some of their marriage certs and that might give an occupation for William.

Thank you!

Do you have the 1851?

Austin Boothley
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Anne, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
Austin Boothley 30
Austin Boothley 4
Jesse Ann Boothley 5 Mo
Mary Boothley 25
William Boothley 3

1841 and still hanging paper bless him

Austin Borthley
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Anne Soho
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Anne Westminster
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Austin Borthley 20
Rvd. Gray 12
Eliz Gray 24
Geo Gray 10
Maria Gray 6
Thos Gray 1 Mo
Jno Johnson 25
David Lewis 15
Jennett Lewis 36
Jennett Lewis 12
Robt Lewis 38
Robt Lewis 9
Wm Lewis 2
Ann Matthews 12
Charles Matthews 10
Chs Matthews 37
Geo Matthews 14
Susanna Matthews 36
Eliz Thompson 68
Jno Wright 25

Hi Heather,

I had some of that info, but not the 1851 census or the military stuff. My Austin (b abt 1820) had a son and grandson both called Austin so it could possibly be one of them - where did you get that info?

I know Austin's father is William and his mother Ann from his baptism record, and his marriage cert confirms his father's name. Don't know what to make of the lack of occupation - what do you think?

Your help is much appreciated, thanks.

Dont know suze, may be he was deceased and poor little Austin didnt know? He is lodging when he is 20 and on his own.

The military stuff was on National Archives. You can download it for 3.50 but have you checked ancestry WW1 pensions for him?

Surprising how many Austin Boothbys about - LOL - he didnt have another descendant go to the states did he??


U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
Military

PreviewName: Austin L Boothby
State: Maine
County or City: Cumberland

Enlistment State: Maine

I checked the WWI pensions on Ancestry but didn't find anything :(

He could well be a relation! I don't know of anyone who emigrated but then I haven't explored the Boothbys as well as I would like just yet.

Thanks again for all your help - if you think of anything else please let me know!

It doesn't look as if Sir William is your man as he doesn't appear to have a son called Austin.

http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00416197&tree=LEO

However that is a very unusual name and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link further back

Good luck
Sue
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If you find a link back to the nobility then this site has a lot of the Boothbys but I see it now needs a small subscription to look properly. Stirnet pages used to be free but you can keep clicking back and glimpsing!
http://www.stirnet.com/main/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=79&startUrl=http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/bb4fz/boothby1.htm

I can't see your Austin linked to the peerage. Sorry.

http://www.thepeerage.com/i205.htm#s3241

Any link must be quite a way back.

Good hunting

Sue

Hi Sue,

I'll have a look at that site, thanks - I very much doubted Sir William was my direct ancestor but it was worth a try!

The Boothby family originated in Lincolnshire, had lands and property and even married into the royal family - I have often wondered what my link to that might be (as my name is Boothby) but have so far found nothing very illustrious. Still, finding out about my relatives has been enormously rewarding regardless of their social status!

Thanks again for everyone's help.

Suze, you would be surprised how many of us do have aristo connections when you go back. Both my parents sides now have aristos - 17th/18th century - it only takes a few generations for land owners children to become ag labs. When you think how many children people had - dosh shared out over a few generations soon disappears except for the eldest child who got the majority of it at the fathers death. Carry on searching :)

Given Austin's occupation, residence and the fact you can't find William in the 1841...I wonder if this is William's will?

Will of William Boothby, Plumber, Glazier and Painter of Saint Anne Westminster , Middlesex 25 June 1839 PROB 11/1911

Documents online
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

Probably worth £3.50 to find out!

Chris

Well done Chris, that would seem to tie in quite nicely and as you say, worth the £3.50

It is definitely worth searching back if a line looks interesting.
That painter glazier William would tie in nicely if his son became a decorator. Same line of business really.

My 2x great grandmother was called Sarah Ann Fines and I hadn't looked at her ancestry until last year.
Her descendants were ag labs BUT her quite recent ancestors were the Earls of Lincoln. They were called Fiennes.

It only takes a few generations of younger sons of younger sons before branches slip down the social scale. The eldest sons inherited the titles and lands so there was little left for younger siblings. In my own case several of mine were the very youngest children of second wives.

So keep digging......if you can find a link back to a mediaeval ancestry then it usually leads back to Royals.

Good luck
Sue

Thanks again everyone so much for your help. I'm relatively new to all this and had never got anything from the National Archives before.

Well worth it - I got the aforementioned medal record for my relation Austin J Boothby and the will of my great-great-great-great grandfather William. It was a very interesting read indeed - whilst he wasn't a member of the nobility he certainly was pretty well off! He also appears to have cut his eldest son out of his will, but this may be because he was already provided for, I don't know.

Once again, thanks for all the help - you've all been wonderful!

As I said before and as Sue confirmed, it only takes a few generations - in my example, my Sir Walter Acton leaves most of his money to the eldest boy and the others become apprenticed to various skills - it never occurred to me that they would be. My own direct line was a lighterman/pilot at the Royal Docks and became a victualler - he ended up leaving a lot of money and property in 1823 (no doubt the odd barrel of rum or sheep destined for the Royal Navy went missing - LOL). But point being his father and grandfather and great grandfather and his sons became lightermen too and so on down to my last generation. Due to the fact that lightermen interbred and left brilliant records I managed to trace them backwards to Sir Walter - but who would believe that basically dock workers (albeit aristos of dock workers!) would come from genuine aristocracy. So dont give up on your Boothby trail - a skilled man like a glazier may well have come down the line from one of the younger sons of an aristocratic family :)

With that in mind - have you tried entering the name Boothby and searching to see if any other wills are in that area?

I will definitely do that tonight - what a great resource it is!

Just wondering - is anyone good at reading old writing? I can read most of the will, but there are a couple of street names I can't make out, and I'd love to find out if they are still there. My partner and father have tried and failed! They are in Westminster, if anyone's from around there.

Hope one day I can be as helpful to others as you all have been to me!

Can you scan and send?