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Hi

I have a distant relation born 1892. On the 1901 census he is listed as age 9 - born in Australia (no Town or State mentioned), but living with his Grandparents in Musley Lane, Ware, Hertfordshie. The Grandparents were born in Ware, Herts.

I know Australia is a big place - but I don't know where to start? Any suggestions gratefully received.

Thanks, Alison

Hi Alison

How about giving us his name and we will try to help.

bye Helen

Thank you - his name was Harold Brotherton - I believe his mother was Sarah Ann Collins born in Ware, Hertfordshire, England. The Grand-parents names were John & Eliza Collins.

cheers, Alison

Hi Allison

Found him, he was born in Queensland in 1891. C indicates not in Brisbane.

1891/C001572
Family Name: Brotherton
Given Names :Harold Frederick Harry Edgar
Fathers Name Alfred
Mothers Name Sarah Ann Collins


bye Helen

Hi

Looks like they married in 1886

Reg # 1886/B010883
Subjects family name Brotherton
Subjects given names Alfred
Other party's names Sarah Ann Collins

will check and see if there are other siblings.

Helen

Helen

That's great - thank you so much for your help.

I only came across this "Tip's Board" earlier tonight. I shall come back to it again. Don't know why I haven't spotted it before?

bye, Alison

Can only find one other sibling covering period 1885 - 1914

Reg:1889/C001400
Family name : Brotherton
Given name : Ernest Alfred
Fathers given names Alfred
Mothers names : Sarah Ann Collins


Helen

Helen

Sorry - one more ask - does it give any indication where Alfred Brotherton (Father/Husband) was born?

Alison

Hi Allison

I couldnt find a birth for Alfred 1829>.

However it looks like he immigrated in 1883 as I found an Alfred Brotherton aged 23 years.

Vessel : ROMA
Arrived : .. 04 1883 Brisbane
Departed : Plymouth
Date Month Year 28 02 1883
SRC Film & Immigration: PL M1699 (imm/117)
Comments : via Cooktown & other Ports south to Brisbane

Helen

Hi

Have found Sarah Ann Collins immigration details in 1886 she was aged 22years.

Vessel : ROMA
Arrived : 19 05 1886 Brisbane
Departed: London
Date Month Year 24 03 1886
SRC Film & ImmigrationPL M1702 (imm/121)

Helen

Hi Alison

I can now confirm that Alfred and Sarah Ann married in Brisbane on 7 Sep 1886, approx four months after Sarah arrived in Brisbane .

Although I cannot confirm where the boys were born in Queensland, I can now confirm their exact birth dates. By the way I found another son born in 1888.

Reg No :1888/C001306 - 29 Apr 1888
Family Name :
Brotherton
Given Name: Alfred
Fathers Name: Alfred
Mothers Names :Sarah Ann Collier (mis-transcribed CD states Sarah Ann Collins)

The exact birth dates of the other two boys are as follows:
Ernest Alfred Born: 6 Apr 1889/001400.

Harold Frederick Harry Edgar Born: 1 Jun 1891/001572.

bye Helen

Hi again Allison

Looks like Alfred Jnr died in infancy death record as follows;

1888/C000723
Family NameBrotherton
Given Name Alfred
Father's Name Alfred Brotherton
Mothers Name Sarah Ann Collins

Helen

Hi Alison,

Just found out that little Alfred was buried five days after his birth at Toowoong Cemetery.

Cemetery Details
Cemetery: Toowong Cemetery
Street Address: Cnr Frederick St and Mt Coot-tha Rd, Toowong
UBD Ref: Map 158 N13
Portion 1
Section 133
Grave Number 6

Now that we have established that the family returned to Uk, it explains why there are two strangers interred in the plot


Brotherton Alfred 04 / 05 / 1888
Jacobs Samuel 29 / 09 / 1930 58 years
Rickards Elizabeth 19 / 01 / 1934 88 years

bye Helen

Looks like Sarah died and Alfred remarried.


Here's the child Ernest in 1901


1901 Census

Name: Ernest Brotherton
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Brisbare, Laois, Ireland <<<<<< image says Quuensland, Brisbane

Town: Wellingborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire

Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Brotherton 41 b.ca 1860, Warwick, Worcestershire, Upholsterer
Ernest Brotherton 11
Martha Brotherton 42 b.ca 1859, Upper Heyford, Oxfordshire

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fromm freebmd:-

Marriages September 1894

Brotherton Alfred Bicester 3a 1499
Butler Martha Bicester 3a 1499




sylvia

Had real trouble posting that!

Only half the information would appear. Not sure what's going on!!!


sylvia