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Im trying to find a marriage certificate for my Grandad's 2nd wife...

in my hand i have a Decree Nisi of the Divorce... But cannot find a marriage cert for them... it states that their marriage was on the 16th of April 1922 at the register office in Willesden in the county of Middlesex..
I do know that she was placed in an instution because she was of unsound mind...
The names are WILLIAM JOHN ORME and ANNIE DAVIES...

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO FIND OUT WHERE SHE WAS TAKEN TOO WHEN SHE WAS PLACED IN THE INSTUTION... CAN ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE??

I 'm not sure where you have looked for the marrige, it is on Ancestry.

ORME William J - Davies - Willesden - 3a 668
Q2 of 1922.

Sam x

Jolly, sorry I've just amended it after checking on Genuki which says it should be 3a, looks like we were both wrong!!

Sam x

Thanks everyone... i've been looking for ages for it... once i have got that will i be able to find a Birth for Annie?? as i do want to find out more on this women... i know that she was committed because she wasn't allowed around Knifes.. so to find out where she went would be the next step...

thanks again to all
Tracey

The marriage cert may give you her age at the time, so you will have some idea of when to search for her birth registration.

Also, when you have her birth date it will help in narrowing down the search for her death. The death cert might help find the institution if she stay there until she died.

thanks potty... i do know that my grandad was with my nan for many years having 4 more kids out of wed lock between them his decree nisi was issued in 1953... then my grandad finally married my nan in 1954 aged 62... so yes i am assumming that Annie had finally died... as we have always been told that my grandad couldn't marry my nan cause in them days he was wasn't allowed to divorce unless she had died... BUT DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE...

HI JUST RECIEVED INFO ON ANNIE DAVIES SHE STATES HER AGE ON THE MARRIAGE CERT AS 29 HER FATHER IS NAMED AS A JOHN DAVIES (DECEASED) WHICH MEANS HE DIED BEFORE 1922...THEY MARRIED IN APRIL 1922... STILL CANT FIND THE BIRTH...PLEASE HELP!!!!

Tracey,

He would not have had to divorce her in order to remarry if she had died. There must have been some other reason why he couldn't divorce her. Have you tried googling Divorce Laws?

Found this - could explain why the divorce took so long:

Nevertheless as divorce continued to rise the results of the Gorell commission of 1909-12 were finally put into practice as the Herbert Act of 1937 was passed. This act extended the grounds on which divorce could be petitioned to

Adultery
Desertion without cause (after 3 years or more)
Cruelty
****Incurable insanity (after 5 years) ****


In the same document there is a chart of divorces which shows a large increase in 1950s over previous decades.

it does say on the divorce that the respondent was incurably of unsound mind and had bbeen continuosly under care and treatment for a period of at least five years immediately precedingthe presentation of the petion

Potty how do i see the chart of divorces???

i really appreciate all that is being found out for me...
i am just banging my head against a brick wall all the time...

THANKS AGAIN

HOW DO YOU THINK I COULD FIND THIS WOMEN... PLEASE I AM IN NEED TO FIND HER... IT'S REALLY ANNOYING THAT I CAN'T FIND HER...

Sorry Tracey, had to have a shower - no hot water for 3 days and the boilers just been mended.

To find that chart Google Divorce reform 1950, then scroll down to this: Seminar 9: Divorce Patterns.

As she was still alive in 1953 and she would have then been 60 it does cut down your search for her death a bit. Where were they married? Will try to find her on the 1901.

What is father John's occupation on the marr cert? Several Annie Davies with father John on the 1901 and with a name like Davies she could have been Welsh.

sorry potty it was my turn having the dinner and clearing to do...
William and annie were married in April 1922 at willesden registry office

Hello on marriage cert it was John Davies and was listed as being deceased at time of marriage

Hi all I found an Annie Davies born 1893 Kilburn father John b 1869 mother Ellen 2 more kids Jane 5and John 2 fathers occupation Milk carrier does it give Annies dads occupation on marriage cert?
checked deaths and 3 John Davies died between 1900 and 1916 one b 1869 died 1908 Islington 2nd b 1868 died 1915 Paddington 3rd b 1868 died 1916 Kingston not much to go on but every little helps
Trish ps also googled Asylums for Middlsex area 1922 London County Mental hospital came up among others 1918-1928

Do you have witness names for the Anne DAVIES marriage?...Maybe they will help identify the right family for her.

Gwyn

hi every one... a BIG THANK YOU for all your help... will check for the witnesses and i don't remember that John's ocuupation was mentioned on certificate... but will check and let you know...

thanks again

hi
Have found out the information needed now... John Davies was listed as being a Builder on Annie's Marriage certificate and their were two witness listed as C.MORRIS and E. MORRIS...