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25/09/2007 22:32:11

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My Grandfather Albert George Patient B1899 shows up on the 1901 census with his brothers Walter, Charles, James and sister Lily born in Hackney. Mother shown as Mary Ann Patient who i believe was born in Shoreditch London c1868 but no maiden name and there doesnt seem to be a husband for Mary

Im trying to trace the Patient's back for my mother.

I remember being told we go way back to East Thaxted and then possibly to France !

Anyone can help me i would be really pleased.

Thanks

Glyn

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1901 is this the family?

Name: Albert G Patient
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Walter
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Dalston
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 21 Bay St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 517
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur L Clark 23
Albert G Patient 1
Charles E R Patient 11 Shoreditch
James W Patient 5
Lily E Patient 4
Mary Ann Patient 33 Shoreditch
Walter Patient 31 Dunmow, Essex
Walter W Patient 3/12
William Rolph 18

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 227; Folio: 37; Page: 66.


Walter is a coopers labourer

Thanks Christine

Was hoping A Patient might spot it as some one has ALL the PAtients i have in their records....................

Mary Ann Patient is shown as a Wife so her husband is still alive somewhere

they are both shown on the 1901 census

1901 England Census
about Mary Ann Patient
Name: Mary Ann Patient
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Dalston
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 517
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur L Clark 23
Albert G Patient 1
Charles E R Patient 11
James W Patient 5
Lily E Patient 4
Mary Ann Patient 33
Walter Patient 31
Walter W Patient 3/12
William Rolph 18

You need to order his birth certificate - here are the details Albert George Patient, born Hackney Dec quarter 1899. Vol 1b, page 513. His cert will give both parents names, unless he was illegitimate, in which case it will probably only give mothers name.

Father Walter is on the previous image at the bottom of the page.

Kath. x

here is walter patient with parents in 1871

1871 England Census
about Walter Patient
Name: Walter Patient
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Easton, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Great Easton
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Town: Great Easton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Thaxted
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Patient 43
Charles Patient 15
Eliza Patient 13
Frederick Patient 11
George Patient 21
Hannah Patient 41
Harry Patient 7
Mary Patient 9
Sarah Patient 5
Thomas Patient 17
Walter Patient 1
William Patient 25

Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
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Dymock William Frank Holborn 1b 1173
Osborne Caroline Eliza Holborn 1b 1173
Patient Walter Holborn 1b 1173
Rolph Mary Ann Holborn 1b 1173

Thanks evryone.

I am really new to this and you have sent me the info in a few minutes that has taken me all night !!!

My dads side was a lot easier as my great Aunt is still alive at 101 and knew everything. She was amazing !!!

1891 just wondering about this entry

Name: Walter Patient
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Dutton Hill, Essex, England

Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Bolden 25
George W Patient 6
Lizzie Patient 18
Thomas Patient 37
Thomas C Patient 10
Walter Patient 21

Glad to have been of assistance, now you should order the marriage certificate which will give mary ann's fathers details and then more census records can be found

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Rolph Charles Edward
Shoreditch 1c 98


Just wondering if this is Charles E R Patient who is on 1901 census


Maureen

1891 ??

Name: Charles E Rolph
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Arthur
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chads
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Rolph 29
Charles E Rolph 9
Mary Ann Rolph 23


Charles is only age 1 on image


1891 census this could fit with the marriage in 1895

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
Baker Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 649
ROLPH Arthur Bethnal Green 1c 649
Smith Agnes Bethnal Green 1c 649
Watson Charles Arthur Bethnal Green 1c 649


This marriage might explain the IGI entry


1881 poss
Name: Mary A. Baker
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Benjamin
Mother's Name: Sarah A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 8 Curtain Rd
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Holywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Baker 38
Eliza Baker 10
Florence Baker 6
Jane E. Baker 14
Mary A. Baker 12
Sarah A. Baker 38
Sarah A. Baker 8
Susannah Baker 1
Charles Frances 30
Elizabeth Haddock 19



Think you are going to have to buy a few certs to sort this one out

ha ha it sure looks that way..........................

Thanks people

Wish i was as good as you lot !!!

xxx

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